Mitch, yeah, yer probably right, except it'd be in a corner of the living room, and I could get 'er out on the front stoop and run 'er here and there.
And for a mere $7500.
Chicken feed.
Hobo Jungle
"1850's Rare Cast Iron Hitching Post"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=008
I'm not sure I'm believing this. I was just curious.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=008
I'm not sure I'm believing this. I was just curious.
Roger, the 'red thing' is a New Holland "hit and miss" engine, a gasoline engine of only a few horsepower. Farmers used these before there was a power grid that extended to rural areas, when work was all done by hand, and when sundown meant darkness or kerosene lamps.
The cast iron wheels maintained momentum, but it was the black belt-wheel that did the work. Farmers could hook these up to any of a number of implements around the farm- grain mills, saw mills, milking machines, shop machinery, washing machines, well pumps, ice-cream makers, you name it, but also to generators to have some indoor-lighting at night. They were an incredible boon. Imagine trying to fill multiple water troughs by pumping a well handle manually.
The "hit and miss" design was the ingenious part. The engine would run at length with no spark firing, the ignition locked out. The ignition was then triggered by the closing of centrifugally-driven weights as the engine slowed down. When the cast iron wheels were spinning at speed, not only would the ignition be locked out, but the mechanism would allow the intake valve to remain closed (to avoid sucking gas into the cylinder) and would lock open the exhaust valve (to prevent compression from slowing down the rotation). Then as the cast iron wheels inevitably slowed down, and the centrifugal weights closed, the mechanism would trip, and the valves would be released to work as necessary, the spark would fire, and the engine would regain speed, and the spreading centrifugal weights would re-lock the ignition and valves, and the cycle would repeat.
I've seen these running at farm shows, at times turning 8-10 or more revolutions before it would fire once. Of course, under load, it would need to fire more often, but thanks to the centrifugal action, this would happen every time it slowed to a certain RPM.
Thing is, they could run all the damn day. And they were often on carts, as in the picture, so that once the water trough was full, the wife could roll it to the house to run her washing machine, etc. etc.
They have a very hypnotic sound, with the flywheels and crankshaft spinning, and slowing, and then every so often, a click and a *chuff* and they were off and running anew.
Take a listen:
http://www.old-engine.com/ihc4.htm
Here's this guys collection, and the examples with 'speakers' have sound files.
http://www.old-engine.com/engines.shtml
At Rough and Tumble, the farm show to which Hev belongs, there are multiple hit-and-miss engines running, and with all running at different rates, they make a syncopated 'music' that I absolutely love.
I have a short video of a New Holland running, from Hev's show last year. I'll be glad to e-mail it to anyone interested in watching one run.
Of note in my prior pictures- that bin sat over the single cylinder. Water would be poured in the bin and surround the cylinder, and as the hot water rose and cool water sank, it served as a 'radiator' of the utmost simplicity.
More-evolved designs included actual water pumps/water jackets, like this one:
which directed the water to a conical screen sitting over a pail, (just beyond the engine) with the return water drawn from the bottom of the pail, and the water would cool to the air as it ran down the screen, a slightly more sophisticated radiator. In the background, you can see a couple more of these engines with belts actually running other equipment.
Rough and Tumble does it's thing later this month. I have my time blocked out. Already, I'm salivating.
The cast iron wheels maintained momentum, but it was the black belt-wheel that did the work. Farmers could hook these up to any of a number of implements around the farm- grain mills, saw mills, milking machines, shop machinery, washing machines, well pumps, ice-cream makers, you name it, but also to generators to have some indoor-lighting at night. They were an incredible boon. Imagine trying to fill multiple water troughs by pumping a well handle manually.
The "hit and miss" design was the ingenious part. The engine would run at length with no spark firing, the ignition locked out. The ignition was then triggered by the closing of centrifugally-driven weights as the engine slowed down. When the cast iron wheels were spinning at speed, not only would the ignition be locked out, but the mechanism would allow the intake valve to remain closed (to avoid sucking gas into the cylinder) and would lock open the exhaust valve (to prevent compression from slowing down the rotation). Then as the cast iron wheels inevitably slowed down, and the centrifugal weights closed, the mechanism would trip, and the valves would be released to work as necessary, the spark would fire, and the engine would regain speed, and the spreading centrifugal weights would re-lock the ignition and valves, and the cycle would repeat.
I've seen these running at farm shows, at times turning 8-10 or more revolutions before it would fire once. Of course, under load, it would need to fire more often, but thanks to the centrifugal action, this would happen every time it slowed to a certain RPM.
Thing is, they could run all the damn day. And they were often on carts, as in the picture, so that once the water trough was full, the wife could roll it to the house to run her washing machine, etc. etc.
They have a very hypnotic sound, with the flywheels and crankshaft spinning, and slowing, and then every so often, a click and a *chuff* and they were off and running anew.
Take a listen:
http://www.old-engine.com/ihc4.htm
Here's this guys collection, and the examples with 'speakers' have sound files.
http://www.old-engine.com/engines.shtml
At Rough and Tumble, the farm show to which Hev belongs, there are multiple hit-and-miss engines running, and with all running at different rates, they make a syncopated 'music' that I absolutely love.
I have a short video of a New Holland running, from Hev's show last year. I'll be glad to e-mail it to anyone interested in watching one run.
Of note in my prior pictures- that bin sat over the single cylinder. Water would be poured in the bin and surround the cylinder, and as the hot water rose and cool water sank, it served as a 'radiator' of the utmost simplicity.
More-evolved designs included actual water pumps/water jackets, like this one:
which directed the water to a conical screen sitting over a pail, (just beyond the engine) with the return water drawn from the bottom of the pail, and the water would cool to the air as it ran down the screen, a slightly more sophisticated radiator. In the background, you can see a couple more of these engines with belts actually running other equipment.
Rough and Tumble does it's thing later this month. I have my time blocked out. Already, I'm salivating.
Here is an air cooled farm engine (running) at this years county fair.
My Minichamps Model A arrived today. Very nice.
Does anyone know what that pantagraph looking thing is on the running board. It does not look like a pantagraph style jack.
It says, "1 of 1,152" on the display case. The license plate number is 5-696. I am guessing this model is number 696 of 1,152.
My Minichamps Model A arrived today. Very nice.
Does anyone know what that pantagraph looking thing is on the running board. It does not look like a pantagraph style jack.
It says, "1 of 1,152" on the display case. The license plate number is 5-696. I am guessing this model is number 696 of 1,152.
----Wayne----
Back when I was growing up, if you didn't start someth'n, there wouldn't be noth'n.
--Merle Haggard
Back when I was growing up, if you didn't start someth'n, there wouldn't be noth'n.
--Merle Haggard
[quote="The Dirt"]Mitch, yeah, yer probably right, except it'd be in a corner of the living room, and I could get 'er out on the front stoop and run 'er here and there.
And for a mere $7500.
Chicken feed.[/quote]
Hey Dirt, things have been a little tough around here lately. Send that chicken feed down to me, and in exchange, I'll ship you a 1000watt Coleman generator bought new in '99, still wrapped in the shrink wrap. I never even put the oil in the Tecumseh engine.
And for a mere $7500.
Chicken feed.[/quote]
Hey Dirt, things have been a little tough around here lately. Send that chicken feed down to me, and in exchange, I'll ship you a 1000watt Coleman generator bought new in '99, still wrapped in the shrink wrap. I never even put the oil in the Tecumseh engine.
If you agree with the Progressives, it's freedom of speech. If you disagree, it's hate speech. There are no alternatives.
I took Aaron to the races last night.
As usual, we had a great time. Had a pile-up right in front of us, 7 cars! Any time after a yellow stops the race, they have a running-restart in single file. The lead car dictates the pace approaching the starting line, so as they are nose-to-tail, he gets to make the first 'jump' on the accelerator. Well, the b*stard, he starts to speed-up, at which point everyone else hits the gas, and then he lets up again, all before the starting line. By then everyone else was committed, each car in turn braking just a little bit harder. The first three cars escaped unscathed, the next seven wound-up all tangled and piled-up. If there were hard feelings afterwards, they were justified.
Two weeks ago, we saw a great sprint-car race, with a local guy making the pass for first with two laps to go. Very exciting. Turned out to be his 100th career win. Well, he was racing last night, and won again, and as we had pit-passes, Aaron wanted to go congratulate him. As the driver had done a victory lap, he was last off the track and over the scales, which Aaron watched, and then we followed him to his pit spot. As he's extricating himself from his car, Aaron runs in between his pit crew and told him congratulations.
Well, here he is, a local legend, fresh-off a hot and dusty race-win, with every right to blow-off my kid, but doesn't the guy take Aaron into his car-trailer and gives him a hat!
It was the Mean Joe Greene commercial all over again!
Aaron had a sh*t-eating grin for the rest of the night. It has a sponsor's name on the front, but it has a logo on the side that is this driver's car-number:
His name: Shane Penny! Very cool.
These are a great bunch of people, and this isn't the first winning-driver who was kind to a fan. Aaron congratulated a driver last summer, who started a conversation with Aaron about whether Aaron did any racing, and when Aaron told him he hoped to become a dirt-bike racer, the driver told him to practice hard, and that one day he hoped to get to enjoy watching Aaron race on TV.
Think about how THAT sounded to a pair of 8 year old ears!
You can tell the hat came from a race. It's the name of the game at a dirt track- dust everywhere! Woe to the car-owner in the parking lot who inadvertently leaves down his windows in the summer heat!
The pits are awesome. An absolute kinetic whirl of activity, with cars going in all directions, coming off the track or going to the staging ramp, wrenches and parts flying, engines getting tweaked, tire-swapping, people going in all directions, you name it. But the equipment trailers are all internally lit, and besides being crammed with mechanical stuff, there are lawn chairs set up inside and out, families and crew sitting around, people talking and laughing and shooting the bull. It's like a self-contained mini-village.
Between that, and the cacophony of the racing, all the visceral noises and smells, (and the concession stand), (and some great-looking femal... well, never mind), it's an awesome time!
As usual, we had a great time. Had a pile-up right in front of us, 7 cars! Any time after a yellow stops the race, they have a running-restart in single file. The lead car dictates the pace approaching the starting line, so as they are nose-to-tail, he gets to make the first 'jump' on the accelerator. Well, the b*stard, he starts to speed-up, at which point everyone else hits the gas, and then he lets up again, all before the starting line. By then everyone else was committed, each car in turn braking just a little bit harder. The first three cars escaped unscathed, the next seven wound-up all tangled and piled-up. If there were hard feelings afterwards, they were justified.
Two weeks ago, we saw a great sprint-car race, with a local guy making the pass for first with two laps to go. Very exciting. Turned out to be his 100th career win. Well, he was racing last night, and won again, and as we had pit-passes, Aaron wanted to go congratulate him. As the driver had done a victory lap, he was last off the track and over the scales, which Aaron watched, and then we followed him to his pit spot. As he's extricating himself from his car, Aaron runs in between his pit crew and told him congratulations.
Well, here he is, a local legend, fresh-off a hot and dusty race-win, with every right to blow-off my kid, but doesn't the guy take Aaron into his car-trailer and gives him a hat!
It was the Mean Joe Greene commercial all over again!
Aaron had a sh*t-eating grin for the rest of the night. It has a sponsor's name on the front, but it has a logo on the side that is this driver's car-number:
His name: Shane Penny! Very cool.
These are a great bunch of people, and this isn't the first winning-driver who was kind to a fan. Aaron congratulated a driver last summer, who started a conversation with Aaron about whether Aaron did any racing, and when Aaron told him he hoped to become a dirt-bike racer, the driver told him to practice hard, and that one day he hoped to get to enjoy watching Aaron race on TV.
Think about how THAT sounded to a pair of 8 year old ears!
You can tell the hat came from a race. It's the name of the game at a dirt track- dust everywhere! Woe to the car-owner in the parking lot who inadvertently leaves down his windows in the summer heat!
The pits are awesome. An absolute kinetic whirl of activity, with cars going in all directions, coming off the track or going to the staging ramp, wrenches and parts flying, engines getting tweaked, tire-swapping, people going in all directions, you name it. But the equipment trailers are all internally lit, and besides being crammed with mechanical stuff, there are lawn chairs set up inside and out, families and crew sitting around, people talking and laughing and shooting the bull. It's like a self-contained mini-village.
Between that, and the cacophony of the racing, all the visceral noises and smells, (and the concession stand), (and some great-looking femal... well, never mind), it's an awesome time!
Seein' the pictures of that machine the Dirt posted got me thinkin' about a fella that lives a few miles from me and all those old time well pumps he collects and restores. I've known 'im since we were kids, and he gets these old oil well pumps and restores them. They seem to work on the same principal as the generator.
I really don't know what they run on, though. Could be gasoline or natural gas. I think they're used in shallow oil wells, 400 plus feet and many of them use sucker rods. They use big flywheels like the generator and when you fire them up, they make a strange sound. Kinda like, PAP!! putt putt putt putt putt, PAP, putt putt putt putt putt. Amazing thing about the old technology with sucker rods.
There's a house down the road about a mile from me, sets on top of the river hill. His water well was 480' deep and used sucker rods. Consider that sucker rods are wood, start out about 2" round and then shaped to hexagon or octagon, with steel male and female screw inserts on the opposing ends. The weight of the rods themselves make this unbelievable. Come in 21' lengths, I think. Anyway, his water problems were over about 6 years ago when we got city water out this way.
I really don't know what they run on, though. Could be gasoline or natural gas. I think they're used in shallow oil wells, 400 plus feet and many of them use sucker rods. They use big flywheels like the generator and when you fire them up, they make a strange sound. Kinda like, PAP!! putt putt putt putt putt, PAP, putt putt putt putt putt. Amazing thing about the old technology with sucker rods.
There's a house down the road about a mile from me, sets on top of the river hill. His water well was 480' deep and used sucker rods. Consider that sucker rods are wood, start out about 2" round and then shaped to hexagon or octagon, with steel male and female screw inserts on the opposing ends. The weight of the rods themselves make this unbelievable. Come in 21' lengths, I think. Anyway, his water problems were over about 6 years ago when we got city water out this way.
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Mitch, a lot of those oil field engines were/are gas fired, from the natural gas that is present with the oil. A friend of mine has a couple of Bessemer engines, the principle is similar, but, for the most part, they are "run constantly" engines.
He has one in front of his shop in Meyersdale, every so often, someone asks him, "do you ever fire that cannon?"
Early next month, at the New Centerville Farmer's and Threashermen's Jubilee they will have several Bessemer's on display, as well as hit-or-miss engines. Worth a trip.
He has one in front of his shop in Meyersdale, every so often, someone asks him, "do you ever fire that cannon?"
Early next month, at the New Centerville Farmer's and Threashermen's Jubilee they will have several Bessemer's on display, as well as hit-or-miss engines. Worth a trip.
Bob
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I had a dang good time myself last night! I headed East on I-10 out of Gulfport and then North on rte.57. Made a left at a place called The Shed. Probably the best BBQ and Blues joint I've ever been to nestled next to an RV park. My kinda building, food, and down home folk, Harleys, tight-butted, firm breasted womenz, with a live wailin' blues band outside!!! Man, pulled pork, smoked chicken, ribs, potato salad, macaroni salad, baked beans, and gallons of cold beer!!!! Sorry about the photo's. Either my cellphone sucks at takin' pictures or I was kinda tipsy.
Sorry about the photo's. Either my cellphone sucks at takin' pictures or I was kinda tipsy.
Running that red block Charlie.
Went to my first Tractor Pull yesterday in Wattsburg, PA. All sorts of action. I had a good time. Buddy of mine was running his 2 John Deeres. Sorry have no idea what model they were. He didn't win but it was still fun! He gave me some steaks that we had this evening on the grill. He raised the beef himself. They were some good eatens.
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