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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:35 am

sarge wrote:Why this death-grip on AC I do not know...


Because it would require actually doing something other than plopping stuff on the track and go.... Opening up an engine and changing anything (heresy!) might as well be akin to a surgical procedure.
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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby sarge » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:28 am

You sell these people short, or at least are stereotyping. I'll "stereotype" right back at you and conjure the image of some old guy who picks this old dead MTH out of a skip and, as Wayne says, hooks the motor leads to the pickup leads after pulling the smelly bits out and runs them on an old HO power pack gotten out of some other skip. Never see them on the net so never hear about it, but there are old social-security-only types out there building toy-train layouts on the cheap or nostalgia-types doing what hirail originally was back in the thirties; toy trains in a scale environment on a budget. Money gets tight, folks get creative.

I wonder if no-one really has had the idea and then made a small crusade out of telling others it works. Sometimes it's the simplest things that no-one considers, then someone else mentions it and the response is, "That is simple genius! Why didn't I think of that!"

For me, it's not new but it's kinda unknown in the US. In the UK, modern-made tinplate ("0-coarse") by the likes of Ace and Darstaed run on 20v DC as the norm.

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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:42 am

sarge wrote:For me, it's not new but it's kinda unknown in the US.


Now who's stereotyping :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby sarge » Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:43 am

That'd be me! Just not unfairly.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby Dennis Holler » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:46 pm

You can run em with one of these fellas....Image
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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby sarge » Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:58 pm

Hell, Dennis, you could run that thing of Waynes with this!

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Can be had off the 'bay or at a train show for about piss. :lol:

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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby healey36 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:57 pm

Dennis Holler wrote:You can run em with one of these fellas....Image

I'm pretty sure Frankenstein woke the monster with something like that.

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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby webenda » Tue Sep 16, 2025 9:12 pm

sarge wrote:Are you using some sort of rectifier to run that can motor on AC or using a DC power supply?

I am using a Bench Power Supply, AKTAKOM APS-1306 DC Regulated Power Supply. Rated 0-32VDC, 0-5ADC. In case of a short, the current is limited to whatever the current is set to. Any current draw 1 amp or higher causes a cooling fan to come on.
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Reference: https://www.aktakom.com/news/index.php?news=41102
I think it was around $30 when purchased years ago.
If you search Amazon for Bench Power Supply, you will find a few with more features than mine for under $50.

For speed control, adjust the voltage on the power supply. For direction, use a double-pole, double-throw switch. I have an on-off switch, which is redundant because the reversing switch has a center off position.
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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:19 pm

I have approximately 12 to 15 RailKing engines 2 of them had burned out PS1 electronics. I gutted the electronics from the tender and installed a Williams reversing unit in the engine. They run fine on AC power. I am using a MTH Z4000 transformer and a Z4000 hand held remote unit. This is not DCS. The receiver for the hand held plugs into the back of the transformer. Turn the transformer on and it connect to the remote You don't touch the handles on the transformer The hand held thumbwheel supplies the power to the track. There is a digital window above the thumbwheel that lets you know how many volts are going to the track.

With the Williams reversing unit in the engine there is not a tether to the tender. There are no sounds or whistle or electro couplers. I don't know if you can get the Williams reversing unit. Used to be able to get them for $40 I think Dallee still has theirs available but they are kind of expensive.

Norton has been doing conversion to lionchief electronics.
See this thread I started about Lionchief.
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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby sarge » Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:53 am

When you think about it, there is no need to be corralled in by some brand's proprietary control system at all.

The limit might be the use of just about any model made from 1990 on with can motors in it. Not much of a limit, 'cause there is a faeces-load of this stuff out there.

You could go the route Wayne is showing, minimum outlay, simple DC power supply and DPDT switch drives them "conventionally" whether its with an MRC power pack or Wayne's duplication using what he has lying about. Just hook pickup leads to motor leads in the locos and, using the above, you get slow-fast and forwards-reverse. You want a headlight, wire in a bulb of appropriate size and voltage in parallel. Lots of stuff lying about with burned out or obsolete electronics to rope in cheap. No brand loyalty required.

From that basic configuration, you can go as far as you want with commercially available stuff at the hobby shop. You want sound and independent control, DCC drops in in exactly the same manner as in HO. Battery power in the manner of so-called "Deadrail"? Why not. Want to run your stuff with your phone, there's Blunami (Soundtraxx blue-tooth system).

No brand loyalty or proprietary control systems required. Running conventional control requires about no effort at all and no reverser boards let alone anything else, arguably as simple to manage as postwar stuff. Going further into modern control systems, the stuff is readily available in hobby shops or internet sales, the communities are large and knowledgable, the stuff is designed for the hobbiest to be able to work with, and the potential equals anything the proprietary systems offer but without being slave to one brand, to "service stations", to professional installers, any of that. Best of all, your models never, ever, become obsolete.

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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby webenda » Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:46 am

sarge wrote:The limit might be the use of just about any model made from 1990 on with can motors in it.

It is not hard to make a universal motor reverse rotation by reversing DC.

The instructions that came with this Lionel Army Turbine locomotive said not to run it with DC.
I tried it. Pfffffft!
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So, I converted the universal motor to run the locomotive with conventional DC control.
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The 1000V, 5A diodes are wired to the motor this way.
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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby healey36 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:51 am

Scrounging through old photos, saw this shot of the Whitcomb 65-tonner that the Maryland Midland briefly rostered way back in its earliest days:

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These locomotives have an interesting history, found here in an RMC review of a Pico model of this exact unit:

https://rrmodelcraftsman.com/piko-america-whitcomb-65-ton-usatc-road-switcher/

The Maryland Midland rostered some pretty esoteric motive power at their beginning, this being a good example. As a model, it would make for an interesting alternative to the GE 44-tonners seen so often.

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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu Sep 18, 2025 1:03 pm

healey36 wrote:.........the Whitcomb 65-tonner that the Maryland Midland.......


Nice photo!

......an interesting alternative to the GE 44-tonners seen so often.


Indeed. I think there was a imported brass model - Overland? Think it was only 2 lbs of flesh and a kidney to buy one, :roll:
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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby sarge » Thu Sep 18, 2025 1:15 pm

I wish there was!

OMI did a 44-ton Whitcomb but not the USATC loco like Maryland Midland's.

Overland's is this critter:
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Not cheap, but can be found in the $550-650 ballpark unless you want it from Brasstrains; then it's $950. GRIN!

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Re: Weekend Photos - September 2025

Postby healey36 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 2:49 pm

Sarge - What’s that small center-cab switcher you have with the connecting rods on the trucks? Is that a Whitcomb? I don’t have a pic handy. It’s a terrific little unit.


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