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Re: Northern weather

Postby E7 » Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:18 pm

Also curious how much of a market, if any, will evolve for retrofitting gasoline engine vehicles. If there is a buck to be had, someone will have a go of it.

And the real clinker: What if someone comes up with a technology that sinks them both!

Now if we could just get a drive that would run off of some of these politicians hot air! :mrgreen:

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Re: Northern weather

Postby HONDO74 » Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:30 pm

E7 wrote:Also curious how much of a market, if any, will evolve for retrofitting gasoline engine vehicles. If there is a buck to be had, someone will have a go of it.

And the real clinker: What if someone comes up with a technology that sinks them both!



We had the Flux capacitor in 1985, but it requires a stainless steel body of a 1981-1983 DeLorean DMC-12 to properly function. And then it only goes back to the future...... :wink:

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Re: Northern weather

Postby E7 » Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:02 pm

HONDO74 wrote:We had the Flux capacitor in 1985, but it requires a stainless steel body of a 1981-1983 DeLorean DMC-12 to properly function. And then it only goes back to the future...... :wink:


Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's a yellow light mean? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Northern weather

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:39 am

This is just my opinion but I believe the lithium battery is the Achilles heel for the electric car.

Maybe in time they will come up with something much better.

The electric car doesn't do anything to relieve congestion in the big cities

Where I live gas in now down to $3.05

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Re: Northern weather

Postby v8vega » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:44 am

Never plug in a electric car in the rain.

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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:45 am

HONDO74 wrote:This is just my opinion but I believe the lithium battery is the Achilles heel for the electric car.


Yes, and the combustion engine is the flaw of the gas powered car, :wink: :wink: Just think of all the parts to go wrong.....

Maybe in time they will come up with something much better.


Probably will; battery research is a very big pursuit. Think of the overall progress in battery technology in the past decade and then the past 2 decades.

The electric car doesn't do anything to relieve congestion in the big cities


True, and no one has said it will. Mass transit and dispersion of jobs that do not need to in the office will.

Where I live gas in now down to $3.05


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Re: Northern weather

Postby E7 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:53 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:Where I live gas in now down to $3.05


Send some to E7.......


I'd drive out and get some myself, but there is a small flaw in that plan! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:12 pm

E7 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:Where I live gas in now down to $3.05


Send some to E7.......


I'd drive out and get some myself, but there is a small flaw in that plan! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Northern weather

Postby healey36 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:58 pm

E7 wrote:And the real clinker: What if someone comes up with a technology that sinks them both!


Whatever happened to hydrogen? I always thought that was a better alternative to full-electric (once you got past thoughts of the Hindenburg).

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Re: Northern weather

Postby healey36 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:03 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote: Mass transit and dispersion of jobs that do not need to in the office will.


All of the middle-managers and executives my age will have to be dead before that becomes a reality. The "if you ain't in the office, you ain't working" mindset will be tough to overcome. I know it would be for me.

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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:40 pm

healey36 wrote:
E7 wrote:And the real clinker: What if someone comes up with a technology that sinks them both!


Whatever happened to hydrogen? I always thought that was a better alternative to full-electric (once you got past thoughts of the Hindenburg)


Seems that Japan is going that route. I'm not sure that anyone has come out with a cost effective and reliable hydrogen fuel cell either - there's another tech lacking a support infrastructure.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:43 pm

healey36 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote: Mass transit and dispersion of jobs that do not need to in the office will.


All of the middle-managers and executives my age will have to be dead before that becomes a reality. The "if you ain't in the office, you ain't working" mindset will be tough to overcome. I know it would be for me.


Yes, that's another issue -- generally based in the insecurities of those middle-managers and executives. A lot of the Gov't went to working at home more than a decade ago -- more productive there. Maybe those middle-managers and executives need to figure out whether they are actually needed or are just excess.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:50 pm

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Re: Northern weather

Postby healey36 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:52 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
healey36 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote: Mass transit and dispersion of jobs that do not need to in the office will.


All of the middle-managers and executives my age will have to be dead before that becomes a reality. The "if you ain't in the office, you ain't working" mindset will be tough to overcome. I know it would be for me.


Yes, that's another issue -- generally based in the insecurities of those middle-managers and executives. A lot of the Gov't went to working at home more than a decade ago -- more productive there. Maybe those middle-managers and executives need to figure out whether they are actually needed or are just excess.

It cuts both ways, at least in the commercial world. The managers are trying to hit deadlines and, unless they're truly good managers, it can be difficult dealing with remote resources. There have to be rules, and that seems to be where the problems lie. Nothing more frustrating than trying to track someone down fifty miles away. Communication is a problem, at least that's what I'm told by folks still doing the grind.

The other side is the inane presumption by some managers that folks are available 24x7. I think I read a study recently that said folks working from home were piling up 60-70 hour work-weeks. Personally, I find that hard to believe, but knowing some of the anal-retentive managers I had over the years, might not be a stretch. Of course, I was working 60-70 hour work-weeks in the office :lol:

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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:25 pm

healey36 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
healey36 wrote:
All of the middle-managers and executives my age will have to be dead before that becomes a reality. The "if you ain't in the office, you ain't working" mindset will be tough to overcome. I know it would be for me.


Yes, that's another issue -- generally based in the insecurities of those middle-managers and executives. A lot of the Gov't went to working at home more than a decade ago -- more productive there. Maybe those middle-managers and executives need to figure out whether they are actually needed or are just excess.

It cuts both ways, at least in the commercial world. The managers are trying to hit deadlines and, unless they're truly good managers, it can be difficult dealing with remote resources. There have to be rules, and that seems to be where the problems lie. Nothing more frustrating than trying to track someone down fifty miles away. Communication is a problem, at least that's what I'm told by folks still doing the grind.


Never had that problem - managers that can't deal with remote resources probably should be looking for a new job.....maybe waiting tables and working for tips would be good....

The other side is the inane presumption by some managers that folks are available 24x7. I think I read a study recently that said folks working from home were piling up 60-70 hour work-weeks. Personally, I find that hard to believe, but knowing some of the anal-retentive managers I had over the years, might not be a stretch. Of course, I was working 60-70 hour work-weeks in the office :lol:


I'd find that hard to believe as well. Remote work contracts were pretty tightly defined on hours and metrics to meet.

Then again, I was doing 10-12 hours/7/52 at the office and then another 5-6 hours/7/52 at home for a few decades, but then again, in my career path that's what you did to keep your head above water and sharks from biting. I don't recommend that insane career path to young people.
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