Who can identify the builder?

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Wolf
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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby Wolf » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:27 am

For this locomotive, I think that Henry offered only assembled locomotives,
not any kits. Also think that most were painted versions with few, if any,
unpainted ones available. I agree with 2railjon--the detail is truly amazing,
but the really great part of this model is how well his drive works---silky smooth!

And I think E7 is correct in that this is Henry's pilot model.
But maybe we can get CSI to run forensics on it to analyze the
DNA residuals and fingerprints?
Take care,
Wolfgang

LarryK
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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby LarryK » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:14 pm

Here ia a good explaination of equalization.

Larry

http://www.dougkerr.net/Pumpkin/article ... zation.pdf
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up148
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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby up148 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:36 pm

Needless to say, there were treasures to be had and many bid solely with the intent of making a few bucks. Guess that's okay it just seems like such a sad epitaph for Henry. All that money to be made and he won't get a dime of it. Goodness knows he deserved it.


I totally agree Jay. I don't all the ins and outs, but from what I do know, it's really sad. Bad things happen to good people. Hopefully he's playing with a bunch of trains right now and having a ball.

BH

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby E7 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:52 pm

I am now certified in the equalization of wedding parties (see above link). Locomotives......not so much. :mrgreen:
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mytrainz
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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby mytrainz » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:50 pm

Hi Guys,

So this model does not have a gear box or motor. So I assume the the winner of this model will have to provide both of these items.

Question: assuming that the axle gear is the one that meshes with the worm gear and that the axle gear is part of Henry's original gear box, is the worm gear available? along with the matching gearbox housing?

If not, I assume again, that the axle gear will have to be removed and replaced with a more readily available one along with a gear box. The replacement motor shouldn't be a big problem.

Steve

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby Jay Criswell » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:58 pm

Yes, there are parts available, if you know who has them.

If I were to be lucky enough to get it I'd probably go with a new gearbox and motor.

Jay

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby hibar » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:15 am

There were numerous boxes of parts and motors that were part of the auction also there were 100 + ore cars and a small number of industrial switchers which Henry had imported, painted but not lettered these went high.

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby herronpeter » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:29 pm

Thanks, Larry.

I knew it it was more that just sprung drivers as all but the oldest of models have those. Now the real question remains, besides prototypical accuracy, is there any practical difference in the running characteristics of a fully equalized model?

Peter

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby E7 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:26 pm

herronpeter wrote:Thanks, Larry.

I knew it it was more that just sprung drivers as all but the oldest of models have those. Now the real question remains, besides prototypical accuracy, is there any practical difference in the running characteristics of a fully equalized model?

Peter


Peter,

I'm not trying to encroach in on Larry's turf. That said, maybe this will help.

As I related on the first page of this topic, Henry B. ran his pilot model (which I assume was equalized as he was a proponent of that practice) on the modular layout at the EOS show. It derailed along the way because of rough/uneven track. One of the club members was running a newly hatched 3RD Rail brass Berk with a coffin feedwater heater, which I doubt was equalized, and it navigated the loop many times without incident.

Hardly a conclusive case for anything, but as it happened that day.

Rich

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby bob turner » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:03 pm

I have unsprung, sprung, and sprung + equalized models, very rough track, and superelevation. I cannot tell the difference, either in traction or smoothness of operation. Some say they like to see the wheels go up and down; I have personally never seen a model do that.

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby LarryK » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:25 pm

I believe if a builder tries to model the equalization of a steam locomotive, it is overkill and another potential problem, unless it is a quality job. Looks nice but is it really necessary?

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby ScaleCraft » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:52 pm

Kinda like brake shoes on Burner's engines?

Up here, Bob Stivers has a GS something with full equalization and no springs....pick up lead truck, it all equalizes all the way back.
Over.
Kill.


And it sits on a shelf and has for at least 30 years.
Dave....gone by invitation

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby bob turner » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:59 pm

Mine are just the main drivers - but real leaf springs! The Museum has a 4-4-0 equalized on the lead truck and front driver. Runs fine.

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby up148 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:26 am

LarryK wrote:I believe if a builder tries to model the equalization of a steam locomotive, it is overkill and another potential problem, unless it is a quality job. Looks nice but is it really necessary?

Larry


Certainly not needed for operation, but we all have our weaknesses and a nicely done equalized suspension (KTM/USA, SOFUE, KOH's, C&LS, KEY, etc.) makes a model just that closer to the prototype. Some of us like it and some of us don't. I like it, but that's just my opinion!

BH

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Re: Who can identify the builder?

Postby bob turner » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:30 am

So, $2500. Was that a good deal? Did Jay get it?


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