Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

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Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby Carey Williams » Thu May 11, 2017 3:06 pm

Hello fans of the streamline

What is known about a Blue Goose built on a Mini-Scale chassis? Both the Blue Goose and Mini-Scale engines were born in 1937 .
Here we have a sand cast top shell with a bit of flat sheet work all blended together to defy air's friction ...no doubt a huge wattage savings when running on one's layout. This is a big engine ...17/64ths in scale .
The Goose was found in a Pasadena hobby shop 25 + - years ago.... gauged to 1 1/4" and 17/64ths scale .... should remove any Minton lineage .
Being a casting ....there should be more out there...... anyone know of other old gooses?

Ever hear of John Resch advertising in 1940 for custom streamlined work out of Milwaukee ....he may have been the builder for custom Hiawatha that ran on the local club layout. ....Could the Goose be one of John's ?

Tender is wood ! No sign of outside 3rd rail sweeps .

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby ScaleCraft » Thu May 11, 2017 6:50 pm

Except..Resch does sheet metal fabrication, not castings. There is either an outside third rail wiper or signal trigger off the lead truck...beveled at the edges to no catch.

First guess would be a one-off home built, probably since there is not a plethora of these floating around.

Why someone would go to the effort to make a cast boiler and not do it commercially is beyond me, unless cost was a serious factor. Or you had to whack up a MiLoco Hudson to do it.
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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby De Bruin » Thu May 11, 2017 11:44 pm

Very Interesting primordial model; but cannot believe that casting is a one-off though, no way, no how. Imagine one of this in front of some Pomona Valley fluted cars.
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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby Carey Williams » Fri May 12, 2017 1:52 am

Hello Goose gawkers... There was at least one other example of the goose MR July 1941 winner of the Lobaugh award .... Just before the builder was sent to WW2 ..
Many differences can be found between Benard's and my Goose .
No doubt there will be other Geese spotted in the future near a pond upon a layout .
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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby aterry11 » Fri May 12, 2017 9:58 pm

Mr. Bernard Stuempel????

Quein Este?? :? :? :? :? :? :?

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby bob turner » Fri May 12, 2017 10:57 pm

I wonder if that guy was "Jake" Bechtel, a stalwart at our museum for years.

Sand casting is different - in the olden days you made a wood pattern, walked down to the corner foundry, had your wood pattern turned into brass, bronze, aluminum, whatever, pitched the pattern in the garbage, and went home happy. You cannot do that now - I have a pair of Erie-Built plastic sides searching for a sand casting hobbyist. Once cast, they too will be pitched in the recycling. I think part of the problem is that it is not cost effective to make castings in the USA at the moment.

I have seen some really good one-off castings for model trains. For a while there we had an artist foundry here. They charged an arm and a leg for what was called "shell casting" - they really didn't understand model trains. but I got one Diesel done in silicon bronze.

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby Jay Criswell » Fri May 12, 2017 11:11 pm

Bob,

I'm pretty sure the guy winning the award died in 1961 at the age of 54.

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby Carey Williams » Sat May 13, 2017 12:50 am

Hello Jim
Do you have any photos of period Pomona fluted cars in living color ?

Speaking of Pomona..has any one ever seen one of their Zephyrs ?

Bernard Stuempel..... did he build cars for the rebuilt Museum of Science and Industry layout ?

EPA is doing it's best to close every foundry out there ... little mom and pop foundries willing to one offs are far and few these days .

Nice PA ... ...you only cast one of those beauties ?

Here is the article covering the MSI 1989 rebuild mentioning Bernard Stuempel ... assuming the same person ...both located in the same area ..interesting comment thrown out about Trump .... from 91 !


Tribute paid to train tradition
• MARK KIESLING dec 22, 1991 If, as Glenwood hobby shop owner Don McWhorter claims, "trains are
Christmas," the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago has the stuffing beaten out of Santa Claus.
Unless, of course, you are Donald Trump in his pre-Kmart incarnation and can afford to put a 3,000-square-foot layout under the tree. It's the rare tyke who does not have visions of Santa Fe dancing in his head on those nights before Christmas, but if a train set's not in the cards this year - heck, even if it is - pack the family into the car and head on up to 57th Street and Lake Shore Drive for a look at the Museum & Santa Fe Railroad, one of the institution's main attractions. The layout, a permanent fixture at the museum since 1941, is enough to inspire any budding train buff. Be warned: Once the kids see it, they're going to want to try their hand at home locomotion. That anyone is able to enjoy the massive project at all is due in large part to McWhorter, owner of Don's Hobby World in Glenwood Plaza, and the group he assembled from the South Suburbs and Northwest Indiana who undertook to renovate the railway. The general contractor for the renovation was Circuitron Corporation in Riverside, Ill., which had recently installed a General Motors display at the museum. When Circuitron president Steve Worack ran into some problems with a partner, he turned to McWhorter for assistance. "I knew from years of experience what each of these guys could do and what his specialty was," McWhorter said. "So I said, let's do it. Let's run with it." "We thought maybe this would take us five, six months," said Dave Rudnickas of Highland, a Hobby World employee. "We had no idea it would end up taking more than a year and a half." For three or four nights a week, a crew recruited by McWhorter redid - mostly from scratch - what Minton Cronkhite originally did in 1941 and Robert Smith redid 12 years later. "The only thing left from the original is the track plan itself, and some of the mountains," Rudnickas said. "We took up all the buildings, the roads, the trees. It was like a wasteland." The bill for the restoration was being footed by the Santa Fe railroad, which wanted the look of the layout to be brought into the present from the early 1950s. "Santa Fe wanted to bring it up to date, how the Santa Fe is viewed today," McWhorter said. Because Santa Fe was footing the bill, what they wanted carried a lot of weight. Old rural roads which crisscrossed the 1941 layout were replaced by modern roads. The Interstate highway system, which began construction for real in 1956, is now represented in miniature, engineered by Rich Urbanski of South Holland and built by Urbanski and Tim Engle, also of South Holland. Under the overpasses on the Interstate, the crew painted its own initials as graffiti, a kind of signature on the nearly $150,000 project. A lot of research went into the renovation: McWhorter went to Barstow and Bakersfield, Calif., to look over and photograph rail yards and stations there, and traveled to LaSalle, Ill., to review a cement plant that would serve as a model for the museum layout. After Bernard Stuempel of Matteson hand made each of the O-scale cars with a vacuum former, they were assembled and painted by Rudnickas, Pat Mehegan of Lansing and Brian Strom of Homewood. The Smith renovation of 1953 had held up well - there was less than 20 percent wear on the tracks, which were reused after a little regauging and tightening of some spikes.
The wiring was a different story. The 10,000-plus feet of cloth-covered wire had to be replaced, which meant a crew of three had to spend nearly three months in the cavern underneath the layout with less than 30 inches of headroom. It was not a job for the claustrophobic, but Circuitron president Steve Worack and several helpers recruited by McWhorter, including two Jim Nilles - junior and senior - and Phil Serviss. The renovation was completed and opened to the public in April 1989.

So if the layout was all rebuilt in 1953 by Smith and again rebuilt in 1989 .....then auctioned off the layout piece by piece .... did they sell off the 1989 items ? the Smith era items ? and or the 1941 Minton items? ... Where did those beautiful glistening F units and matching polished passenger cars go? I lusted after the set as a kid with my face pushed up against the glass in the 60's /70's ?

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby rrjjf » Sat May 13, 2017 8:27 am

This is an interesting locomotive but it may not be as old as you believe it is. The pilot truck is a slightly modified Varney/General Models/AN pilot truck assembly that was not available until after WWII (around 1947). Now that is not to say that this was added later to replace the original but it is something I noticed.

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby Carey Williams » Sat May 13, 2017 12:01 pm

Thank you for your observations ....

I have some photos of the gutted goose..hoping to find a signature , a note something .......only hint is an etched brass sign was used for assorted flat metal work ...largest piece spans shell with two lead weights attached....etching is of a municipal power/ water/ electric ? company in California ..based on the state shield with their teddy bear .

No one had been in here for many a decade ..so a dusting and oil , add voltage and the goose screams alive ! .....You gotta love a piece that does not require a battery to save a board to start the motor .... ....oh yes the only noise is the turning of the valve gear ..and clicking of the track joints

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby De Bruin » Sat May 13, 2017 2:08 pm

Carey Williams wrote:Hello Jim
Do you have any photos of period Pomona fluted cars in living color ?

Jim might, he has amassed a huge file of O scale model shots, he may even have one or two examples though I can’t recall, though Bob T did indeed post a shot of a very nice pair of them here just a month ago.
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Carey Williams wrote:Speaking of Pomona..has any one ever seen one of their Zephyrs ?

No, but thanks for asking that question again. These are almost in the doorstop holy grail category far as I’m concerned (kind of like the bronze EP-4)
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Carey Williams wrote:EPA is doing it's best to close every foundry out there ... little mom and pop foundries willing to one offs are far and few these days .

Mmmmm ..think state, local ordinances, operating costs are as much to blame as federal regulation.
Carey Williams wrote:..... Where did those beautiful glistening F units and matching polished passenger cars go? I lusted after the set as a kid with my face pushed up against the glass in the 60's /70's ?

Me too, some of the MS&I cars and locomotives floated by on E-Bay sometime around 2008 or 9 as I recall, maybe someone else here has a better accounting for them, but I clearly remember some of the passenger cars and F units listed (too rich for my blood)

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby Nortonville Phil » Sat May 13, 2017 7:38 pm

Carey,

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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby Carey Williams » Sun May 14, 2017 12:44 am

Hello Phil

Yes I'm the same Carey Williams .. current Wheelmen Commander ...
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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby rex desilets » Sun May 14, 2017 11:09 am

Wow :!: :!: Either awfully brave & skilled or possessed of a death wish :mrgreen:
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Re: Blue Goose or Mini-Scale in drag

Postby ScaleCraft » Sun May 14, 2017 12:11 pm

rex desilets wrote:Wow :!: :!: Either awfully brave & skilled or possessed of a death wish :mrgreen:

that's why he's riding in front of a cemetery......
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