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[Rufus T. Firefly]

Science has a habit of ending wars that religion starts

Only temporarily.......

[Seaboard Air Line Fan]

Martin wrote:

...religion however is a fully human invention and as such fundamentally a deeply flawed institution.

Amen brother, I thought I was the only one to think that.

And all they want is your $$$.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

This has turned into an interesting conversation.

But now I wonder.

The poster says, "They are arguing again." I didn't know we were doing that. Nobody was yelling. I thought we were a couple men trusting each other enough to disagree on some substantive material.

I have been advised, among these pages, to have an open mind:
+I pay attention and try to learn as much as I can absorb from science's perspective on the Universe.
+I pay attention to the voices I hear in religions to try to understand their perspective on the Universe.
+Creative voices, particularly from the fine arts, have much to say, also, since they go where words cannot satisfy. I pay close attention and open up.

Though I resist it, I find myself checking the local newspaper's Obituary pages, taking note of all the 60-some and 70-some folks who have died. I just saw, a moment ago, on the local TV news channel, that a graveyard has put up several signs, on a variety of grave sites, saying, "SPACE AVAILABLE."

I'm trying to figure out. Stuff.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Though I resist it, I find myself checking the local newspaper's Obituary pages, taking note of all the 60-some and 70-some folks who have died.

As long as you do not see your name, you re probably doing ok.

I just saw, a moment ago, on the local TV news channel, that a graveyard has put up several signs saying, "SPACED AVAILABLE."

Spaced or Space? I can grasp the latter being possible; the former implies some interesting capabilities....and high costs!

I'm trying to figure out. Stuff.

This is good sign; folks that claim to have all the answers or are convinced that they know then are almost always wrong and/or dangerous. The more that you know, the more that realize how little you really know. Figure on!

[MurphOnMillerAve]

"Space Available" (typing error, previously.)

Actually, if I found myself gone and able to see my own name in the Obituary, that would be an answer and a very, very good sign. Now, if I could only come back and tell everybody else the good news! (But who would believe me? They might think they were "hearing voices.")

Case in point: Joan of Arc. Poor dear. Mental imbalance? Poor nutrition? Inspiration from "above"? Direct contact with extraterrestrials? Self-delusion? True sainthood? God favored the French that particular war, over the English? And she was put to death by a segment of her own religion!

Jus sayin'. I think of stuff.

Maybe, this posting is enough on this topic for this model train forum, huh.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

And she was put to death by a segment of her own religion!

At the intersection of organized religion and Government,

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Followed up with the Kenner Cheese Making toy kit.............

[HONDO74]

This has turned into an interesting conversation.

But now I wonder.

The poster says, "They are arguing again." I didn't know we were doing that. Nobody was yelling. I thought we were a couple men trusting each other enough to disagree on some substantive material.

It's the voices in MY head that are contemplating the conversation. Not implying that anyone was arguing. It was my feeble attempt to add humor.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

It's the voices in MY head that are contemplating the conversation.

Hopefully they will come to an agreement,

[webenda]

Actually, if I found myself gone and able to see my own name in the Obituary, that would be an answer and a very, very good sign. Now, if I could only come back and tell everybody else the good news! (But who would believe me? They might think they were "hearing voices.")

What? Have you not seen your own obituary yet Murph? You are not trying hard enough. Want me to post it here for you? How about if I post my own?

Wayne Benda Obituary.jpg (103.42 KiB) Viewed 2375 times

Now, about seeing your own obituary while you are still sleeping in death, not possible. Open your bible and read Ecclesiastes 9:5.

For those who do not have a Catholic Bible I post the passage here:

Ecclesiastes 9:5 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
5 The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no more reward, and even the memory of them is lost.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Now, about seeing your own obituary while you are still sleeping in death, not possible. Open your bible and read Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Find a better and primary source to cite.

New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

That's been re-written so many times that they've worn out the letter "e".

[HONDO74]

It's the voices in MY head that are contemplating the conversation.

Hopefully they will come to an agreement,

No they never agree. One thing I have learned is don't get involved. They will gang up on you and beat your brain to a pulp.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

And she was put to death by a segment of her own religion!

At the intersection of organized religion and Government,

Precisely.
(Good call.)

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Actually, if I found myself gone and able to see my own name in the Obituary, that would be an answer and a very, very good sign. Now, if I could only come back and tell everybody else the good news! (But who would believe me? They might think they were "hearing voices.")

What? Have you not seen your own obituary yet Murph? You are not trying hard enough. Want me to post it here for you? .......

You certainly have my attention, Wayne. Let's see what you have in that regard?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

It's the voices in MY head that are contemplating the conversation.

Hopefully they will come to an agreement,

No they never agree. One thing I have learned is don't get involved. They will gang up on you and beat your brain to a pulp.

Oddly enough, that might make some sense but only to a conspiracy theorist - invest in aluminum foil; it may provide some relief, but I'd bet that thorazine might provide more,