one step over the line

[ScaleCraft]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lionel-6-18300 ... 3724064648

Regular every day 8300 late GG1.
Price not too bad for $129.

Trainz description:

"This is a Lionel 18300 Mint Car Series Pennsylvania GG-1 Diesel Electric Locomotive from 1987. Features include a powerful motor, a reverse unit, an operating light, an operating horn, 2 pantographs, die-cast metal trucks, operating metal knuckle couplers, metal wheels and axles."

Note "die-cast metal trucks".

Now look at the photos and tell me where the trucks are.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

That explains the "Not Tested"..............

[ScaleCraft]

and the "operating metal knuckle couplers, metal wheels and axles."

None of which are present.

To obtain all those parts would end up costing you more than a complete new unit.

[chuck]

Part of the frame is missing?

[ScaleCraft]

Part of the frame is missing?

Looks like it, but I have none here to compare.
But it's a GOOD deal!
You can win a pile of parts!

[healey36]

Flipped them a query regarding "operating metal knuckle couplers, metal wheels and axles". Let's see what they say.

[jlong]

Could be the rare clear cast truck variation.

Appears someone raped it to upgrade a Fundimension GG1 with nylon geared trucks. Price is nuts. You can get a complete one for not much more.

[healey36]

I queried Trainz as to "Listing references "operating metal knuckle couplers, metal wheels and axles"...are they included?" Their response:

Thank you for your interest in Lionel 6-18300 O Pennsylvania GG-1 Diesel Electric Locomotive #8300/Box.

We are offering this for sale on an AS-IS basis and unfortunately, we cannot test it for you, nor provide any additional details. These items are not covered by our normal return policy

We offer these unique items to customers who enjoy finding bargains and repairing items, if necessary. We have provided photos and a description of the item so that you can determine if you are comfortable with purchasing it. If you're not comfortable purchasing this item as-is, we would recommend looking for items that we've listed as functional.

Thank you for checking with us and if there's anything else you need help with, just let me know and I'll be more than happy to assist you!

So I'm guessing that what you see in the photo is what you get, and one should disregard the text description (and probably disregard Trainz as well).

[Rufus T. Firefly]

More response than I expected,

[jlong]

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[Rufus T. Firefly]

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Pretty sure that eBay communications does not include auto-reply, but probably more a copy & paste reply.

Again, more than I expected. I've never gotten any reply.

[ScaleCraft]

I queried Trainz as to "Listing references "operating metal knuckle couplers, metal wheels and axles"...are they included?" Their response:

[i]Thank you for your interest in Lionel 6-18300 O Pennsylvania GG-1 Diesel Electric Locomotive #8300/Box.

We are offering this for sale on an AS-IS basis and unfortunately, we cannot test it for you, nor provide any additional details. These items are not covered by our normal return policy

So I'm guessing that what you see in the photo is what you get, and one should disregard the text description (and probably disregard Trainz as well).

That could get costly. If they describe it one way, then "not covered by our normal return policy", somebody might not be happy.

They can't provide any additional details?

Really?

[healey36]

Shakes my faith in these guys, as I've bought a few pieces from them over the years and have always been pleased. I dislike listers that include a "look at the pictures carefully" disclaimer in their listing. Certainly would have to be careful when considering their stuff going forward.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I dislike listers that include a "look at the pictures carefully" disclaimer in their listing.

Maybe, but I'd rather have buyers/bidders looking carefully instead of not looking, guessing, and bitching later.

[robert.]

Paypal will always side with the buyer. That item is 100 percent returnable. No matter what trainz says about returns. If they state "metal wheels: and you don't receive them. That's on them. Paypal gives you six months as a buyer to open a claim.