Week End Photos, December 2024

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Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby webenda » Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:39 am

Some metals used on the Brass Boxcar that I posted last month.
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The coupler is Zamac with a steel pin and a phosphor bronze spring.

Zamac is made of zinc, aluminum, magnesium, and copper and is also known as pot metal, white metal, or zinc alloy.

Some people refer to steel as iron.

Reference:
Guide to HO Scale Couplers
By Cody Grivno | August 2, 2023
Magne-Matic couplers are made of cast zinc alloy and feature a bronze coil knuckle spring. The trip pin is made of soft iron.

Edit 1: Changed roofwalk from Zamac to Aluminum.
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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby sarge » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:00 am

Wayne

What you bought is a decently built Athearn or All-nation boxcar kit. I used to know which was which at a glance by the gusseting at the bottom of the sides but have long forgotten for sure, but I'd gut-call it All-nation as Athearn traditionally came with a full wooden side over which one nailed up the sides.

These were a long-time post-war staple of the scale community and followed a construction technique that goes back before the war with several earlier manufacturers. The All-nation range was resold a couple times over the years and rests with John Wubble today, although I don't know if he holds the freightcar range or is able to manufacture it if he does. Likewise, the Athearn range was sold off a number of times; Reynolds and Jan Lorenzen's Locomotive Workshop but two owners over the years.

As far as materials, the sides were usually tinplate steel with pretty elegantly printed décor. Athearn ends were often stamped brass; AN stamped tinplate. They varied over the years, including at least one I had with stamped sheet aluminium ends. Doors and roofs were likewise stamped sheet. You drilled for wire grabs, glued or soldered the tack-boards, and painted the ends, roof, and doors to match the sides.

Likewise, the underframes were built up of stamped brass or more commonly tinplate components; ribs, the centre member, and various brake components of white-metal were supplied; reservoir, triple-valve, cylinder. Any piping and rodwork desired was an exercise left for the student.

The major assembly was to glue up the wooden form, then all the metal assemblies were nailed to it using the small brads and pins supplied. The design harkens to the days when the only adhesives were things like cell'y glues like Ambroid and that spunk of Satan, Walthers Goo. Mechanical assembly with brads and pins was de rigueur.

The trucks look to be Athearn, made of Delrin, with Intermountain or NWSL wheelsets. The couplers are Kadee. Your operational observations are simply because this is a car intended for the scale world; NMRA spec two-rail track, radii, flanges, and clearances.

As far as the roofwalk, I don't remember any with white metal but most are aluminium, soft enough to use sheet of appropriate thickness, sheared or bought by the manufacturer as strip-stock, then rolled to emboss the detail on top. Later in the game, All-nation did a very nice through-etched Plano roofwalk to update the kits from the rolled aluminium ones.

As far as having anything to do with "brass" as we categorise it, "brass" being the now collectable imports first from Japan, then Korea, and now China, these have no relationship other than sellers on eBay feigning ignorance and posting these as brass cars or as in your seller's case potentially a brass car (planting the seed) in order to get brass or near-brass prices. What you have is a very common albeit nicely built example of a domestic O-scale kit. The kits themselves are easy to find and fun to build. Collecting different roadnames offered is a fun way to scratch the collector itch without a lot of cash outlay.

Hopefully this is useful.

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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby webenda » Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:43 pm

sarge wrote:Hopefully this is useful.

Thank you, Sarge. It was very useful.

sarge wrote:What you bought is a decently built Athearn or All-nation boxcar kit. I used to know which was which at a glance by the gusseting at the bottom of the sides but have long forgotten for sure, but I'd gut-call it All-nation as Athearn traditionally came with a full wooden side over which one nailed up the sides..

I was resigned to owning a mystery boxcar but now I have enough clues to identify it as most likely an All-nation kit. Thank you, Sarge.

sarge wrote:As far as the roofwalk, I don't remember any with white metal but most are aluminium, soft enough to use sheet of appropriate thickness, sheared or bought by the manufacturer as strip-stock, then rolled to emboss the detail on top.

Aha! Its softness made me conclude that it was white metal. :? Thank you again.
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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby healey36 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:10 pm

Sarge, that is some terrific info. I have one of those kits that you passed to me, slowly climbing its way upward in my project pile:

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I have to tell you, it's a bit intimidating looking in that box, lol.

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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby healey36 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:22 pm

Ray Ellen flipped me his latest list a couple weeks back and he had a nice original Flyer no. 90 Hyde Park station that had just come in. For not much treasure I was able to get my mitts on it. I'd been wanting to compare Paul Race's paper version to an original, so here goes. The original is on the left and the Tribute to Tinplate version is on the right (with a few minor changes to the graphics):

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I sent the paper version to a friend up in Columbia, PA, so I couldn't compare the precise dimensions, but it looks to be pretty dead-on. One thing I hadn't noticed, the original is marked "WAITING ROOM" over each door (difficult to see, being tucked well up under the roof overhang). I'll have to make note of that should I ever build another, which I don't necessarily need to do now.

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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby Wburg Pete » Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:19 pm

Paul,
Very nice!!
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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby RBH29 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:42 am

Your version looks nicer with the recessed doors and windows and brighter colors.

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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby webenda » Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:05 am

The paper version looks better than the original. :D

I O-27ized my All Nation boxcar. It runs through O-27 switches and curves just fine now.

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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby healey36 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:03 pm

Yeah, my recollection was that the no. 90 had embossing around the windows that set them back slightly, but I guess not (or maybe on the early versions, but not the later ones). I agree with you guys, though; cutting out the windows and pasting them in from the back looks a bit better.

Holy cow, Wayne, that boxcar seems to be sitting a bit high, lol. I've been watching Sarge and some of his two-rail mates going through a car-lowering exercise...you've gone the opposite direction (although I understand why).

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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby webenda » Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:40 pm

healey36 wrote:Holy cow, Wayne,

Swapping the trucks from a Menard's flatcar fixed the O-27 track problem but (like medicine) there were unwanted side effects, which you saw immediately. :lol:

I think the side effects on the donor flat car are an improvement.
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Sarge and some of his two-rail mates going through a car-lowering exercise will be jealous of the flatcar. :wink:

I have another idea (another pill) to fix the side effects on the boxcar... remove part of the center sill at both ends of the boxcar and mount the truck directly to the car body.
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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby healey36 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:39 pm

Delivered the train set today...it was like ducks to water:

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Like Ted Althof wrote in the forward to the book Christmasland, "There is but a very brief window in early childhood for us all, a period of time that lasts from birth until we are cast from the nest and into school. A time when all is new and good."

Rosie and Lucy, hope you have a terrific, memorable Christmas.
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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby webenda » Wed Dec 11, 2024 1:29 am

healey36 wrote:Delivered the train set today...it was like ducks to water:

That photo brings back memories. The girls are lost in play. What is it about Lionel trains? Even my father played with the Lionel train that he had purchased for my Christmas present.
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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby healey36 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:37 pm

Changed things up a bit for the 2024 version of the Christmas tree:

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Got some new lights on the tree, three strings of rather garish cool-white/red LEDs (couldn't find warm-white/red); figured out a way to use the corrugated brick "skirting" around the base (The Old Man always used that stuff, so I know he's smiling down from somewhere); trimmed the white felt base cover to ditch the cake-icing effect. Had to go with the ceramic buildings again as I wasn't able to build enough of the "scale-sized" cardboard putz houses to make a job of hiding the tree stand. Painted a few more Plasticville and Selley citizens so the sidewalks are well populated, and added four Lionel street-lamps (screwed onto rather unsightly wooden disk bases to keep them upright).

The train is a Lionel 290E set from 1936...I'll post a pic or two of that later.

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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby Wburg Pete » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:17 pm

Paul,
Beautiful!! Brings back some childhood memories from the '40's...
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Re: Week End Photos, December 2024

Postby healey36 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:35 pm

Thanks Pete...that brick-skirting is a memory trigger for me:

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That's me in the striped pajamas, along with a few of my delinquent cousins, checking out the basement holiday train display (note the brick-skirting); probably about 66 years ago.


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