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Market watching is interesting these days
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Pacific Limited
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Market watching is interesting these days
New seller from Colorado is running big time 90s pricing on older brass.
Erik Lindgren
Re: Market watching is interesting these days
I've noticed the same thing over the years and see that "totally optimistic" sellers come and go. But, recently and now we have some real opportunistic sellers on EB. His priced is maybe twice what a high price would be in todays market. Brass Trains website is a good barometer for brass model prices They extract top dollar out of most models, but their expertise is mostly HO and smaller gauges Obviously, just my opinion, but I look at brass models and prices daily
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bob turner
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I was going to bump this so Butch didn't have to occupy the top two threads for a week. Robert beat me to it. I guess he is quite happy with the tariff program. I am with Steven - we get to watch history being made in real time, living color, from our couch.
But to Butch's point: I am seeing bargains go by, and then I am seeing offerings that are simply out of touch. There is no law or even a moral code that would prevent someone from asking $4500 for a 1950s IMP Challenger. Calling it a 1939 World's Fair model could be regarded as "puffery," and not dishonesty. How about the $2500 Sunset PRR S2 Turbine? They are $500 all week long! I own one, and do not consider it a prize piece. But long time observers will remember the IMP tank car that actually sold at auction for over $600. Bidding started at some reasonable number, as I recall, so good for the seller!
Tell you what - I will post more photos if someone else's name occupies the top two posts for a week, even if I am there for a day now and then.
Do we really have to resort to politics to get activity around here?
But to Butch's point: I am seeing bargains go by, and then I am seeing offerings that are simply out of touch. There is no law or even a moral code that would prevent someone from asking $4500 for a 1950s IMP Challenger. Calling it a 1939 World's Fair model could be regarded as "puffery," and not dishonesty. How about the $2500 Sunset PRR S2 Turbine? They are $500 all week long! I own one, and do not consider it a prize piece. But long time observers will remember the IMP tank car that actually sold at auction for over $600. Bidding started at some reasonable number, as I recall, so good for the seller!
Tell you what - I will post more photos if someone else's name occupies the top two posts for a week, even if I am there for a day now and then.
Do we really have to resort to politics to get activity around here?
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bob turner wrote:Do we really have to resort to politics to get activity around here?
Hell, I'll say it. Politics is why there is no activity around here. This is my hobby, to escape the bullshit, not indulge it.
Most folks I know who I used to enjoy talking the hobby with here have pulled back or left completely because they prefer to not be associated with the base behaviour on MTJ's most popular sub-forum, even though they don't participate in it themselves. I'm one of them.
There are places, like X-Twitter, for folks who groove on that sort of thing. The day the owner jettisons Club Car and politics in general will be the day I and many like me will be sharing top billing with you here, Bob, and the subject matter might even expand beyond doorstops! GRIN!
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bob turner
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While I agree that content in the Club Car section is mostly demonstrative of pure hatred for anyone not in total agreement with the majority, I urge that one need not go there. Indeed I have not even opened it for over a year - the hatred can fester just as well without me. I also avoid Twitter/X and Facebook, mostly to avoid having to face close relatives' opinions - and in the case of Facebook, having to contemplate someone else's dinner.
I may be missing a lot, because most of the forums I visit indicate that all have left for Facebook. Maybe in our case it is related to the slight difficulty of posting photos?
Back to overpriced trains, for a minute: I do have an Allegheny in intermediate stages of repair. The boiler and really butchered mechanisms came to me basically free. I scratched out a tender, and my buddy Greg sent some Sunset tender trucks that he had replaced with PSC. I shall get a photo or two and post here.
Edit: Here we go:
I may be missing a lot, because most of the forums I visit indicate that all have left for Facebook. Maybe in our case it is related to the slight difficulty of posting photos?
Back to overpriced trains, for a minute: I do have an Allegheny in intermediate stages of repair. The boiler and really butchered mechanisms came to me basically free. I scratched out a tender, and my buddy Greg sent some Sunset tender trucks that he had replaced with PSC. I shall get a photo or two and post here.
Edit: Here we go:
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It has nothing to do with photos, Bob. Most of us use hosting sites if we're so inclined to post photos.
You're right that one doesn't need to go there let alone read it; solves the problem nicely on the personal level but the existence of it gives rise to the reputation that the entire forum and all its inhabitants are painted with whether individuals choose to participate in that failed social experiment or not.
MTJ is seen as a little bunch of old grumpy white guys who might or might not be interested tangentially in model trains bitching about "woke" this and "libtard" that when they aren't shouting at kids to get off their grass. A lot of those folks on Faecesbook aren't here simply because they don't want to be painted with that brush, truth be told. I certainly don't.
This forum's reputation is based on the uncivilised behaviour of its members; its lingering death is self-inflicted. A civilised society understands the difference between doing something because they have the right to do it and doing something because it is the right thing to do.
You're right that one doesn't need to go there let alone read it; solves the problem nicely on the personal level but the existence of it gives rise to the reputation that the entire forum and all its inhabitants are painted with whether individuals choose to participate in that failed social experiment or not.
MTJ is seen as a little bunch of old grumpy white guys who might or might not be interested tangentially in model trains bitching about "woke" this and "libtard" that when they aren't shouting at kids to get off their grass. A lot of those folks on Faecesbook aren't here simply because they don't want to be painted with that brush, truth be told. I certainly don't.
This forum's reputation is based on the uncivilised behaviour of its members; its lingering death is self-inflicted. A civilised society understands the difference between doing something because they have the right to do it and doing something because it is the right thing to do.
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I think there are several reasons our forum is suffering from a lingering death. Attrition, age, changing interests, etc. Posting photos is a pita compared to other forums (cars, trains, etc.) I belong to that allows me to post photos directly from my computer....and that's VERY convenient. If you're reading a thread and have a photo of a model or some modeling work you want to show and add to the thread, you can't just post it, you have to host it first and then post it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad we have this forum. I'm not as prolific with my modeling as some, but I try to add something where I can. I know posting photos here will never change and I feel fortunate the family still maintains it. I would miss it.
If you look at the OGR forum, there are only a few "serious" modelers who post on the 2R thread. So, they're in the same boat as we are to some degree. We're all getter old and there are fewer of us.
I see it in a corvette forum I frequent daily. The guys who taught me the most over the years and were the most enjoyable to communicate with have given up and/or lost interest. Let's face it, when your in late 70's or older, there are other things in your life that take over whether you want them to or not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad we have this forum. I'm not as prolific with my modeling as some, but I try to add something where I can. I know posting photos here will never change and I feel fortunate the family still maintains it. I would miss it.
If you look at the OGR forum, there are only a few "serious" modelers who post on the 2R thread. So, they're in the same boat as we are to some degree. We're all getter old and there are fewer of us.
I see it in a corvette forum I frequent daily. The guys who taught me the most over the years and were the most enjoyable to communicate with have given up and/or lost interest. Let's face it, when your in late 70's or older, there are other things in your life that take over whether you want them to or not.
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Butch, like Bob you have a good bead on the effects. No-one new, no-one young, people moved on.
It's the cause I'm calling out, and I'll be the one to take the faeces for doing it in plain language.
There is a vibrant culture of O Scalers out there across all the generations. Where I live and how we operate has made it abundantly clear to me. I see 'em all the time.
You mention OGR getting thin on the ground. OGR is too arrogant. How they pitched Bob off over his perfectly appropriate protection of his intellectual property shows an incredible lack of understanding of the very basics of what they pretend to know so much about. I think I'm ok to say that since, back in the early days of OST, Joe and I both took some copyright law for publishers coursework to understand what most model railroad magazine personnel pretend to know about yet know surprisingly little, OGR leading the pack on ignorance at full volume. Bob got badly treated as did many others in various ways, then adding the new subscription requirements and rather moronic moderation created an uncomfortable restrictive environment for all but the most thirsty of the Kool-aide quaffers. Their lack of participation problem, unlike MTJ, is inflicted upon that forum on a management level.
MTJ we've already covered. The reputation is all anyone tells me puts them off, not utility, not picture hosting. Folks want to talk about their hobby, not to discuss what they feel is ruining life and to pillory their fellows because they find it makes them feel powerful. Such negativity is a powerful deterrent.
What's left is the Faecesbook site. If you think photo hosting is a pain in the arse here, try doing a thread search there. Seriously clumsy and dam near un-searchable. The photos are far more constrained in their space allocation on F'book than here as well. But it thrives; multi-generational, good modelling, friendly, subject-focussed, enthusiastic. The owner's rules are reasonable and well understood, neither vicious anarchy nor hamfisted authoritarianism. It's the mood that's attractive. Enjoying a hobby, not viciousness, politics, vindictiveness, the antisocial media.
I'm also on a few car forums. If yours is dying, there is a reason it's unattractive and it ain't age. Mine aren't perfectly Barbi and Ken but they are for the most part lively.
You guys want more folks here? They are out there doing "forum" stuff over on Facebook. They won't come here if they aren't made welcome, and the biggest elephant in that room is Club Car. There are three times the number of posts there than in all the other sub-forums combined. That means people come here to brawl, and what O Scale hobbiest wants to be associated with that.
The owner could just separate it from the rest of the forum and make it a forum onto itself if he can't bring himself to kill it. Call it Mudpit or something. Everyone who grooves on politics and such can try to drive each other away and win the internet. Once it's gone, a few conditions of use from the owner (which has nothing to do with Constitutional Law let alone principles mistakenly applied to an international venue; the internet isn't just American) and see if the forum can recover in the modelling community such that folks will feel welcome to come here.
And that includes me. I'm surprised the jackals haven't come over here to give me a good goin' over for being so un-american as to criticise their exercising their God given Constitutional rights (Yeah. On a model train hobby forum, no less), if I'm honest.
It's the cause I'm calling out, and I'll be the one to take the faeces for doing it in plain language.
There is a vibrant culture of O Scalers out there across all the generations. Where I live and how we operate has made it abundantly clear to me. I see 'em all the time.
You mention OGR getting thin on the ground. OGR is too arrogant. How they pitched Bob off over his perfectly appropriate protection of his intellectual property shows an incredible lack of understanding of the very basics of what they pretend to know so much about. I think I'm ok to say that since, back in the early days of OST, Joe and I both took some copyright law for publishers coursework to understand what most model railroad magazine personnel pretend to know about yet know surprisingly little, OGR leading the pack on ignorance at full volume. Bob got badly treated as did many others in various ways, then adding the new subscription requirements and rather moronic moderation created an uncomfortable restrictive environment for all but the most thirsty of the Kool-aide quaffers. Their lack of participation problem, unlike MTJ, is inflicted upon that forum on a management level.
MTJ we've already covered. The reputation is all anyone tells me puts them off, not utility, not picture hosting. Folks want to talk about their hobby, not to discuss what they feel is ruining life and to pillory their fellows because they find it makes them feel powerful. Such negativity is a powerful deterrent.
What's left is the Faecesbook site. If you think photo hosting is a pain in the arse here, try doing a thread search there. Seriously clumsy and dam near un-searchable. The photos are far more constrained in their space allocation on F'book than here as well. But it thrives; multi-generational, good modelling, friendly, subject-focussed, enthusiastic. The owner's rules are reasonable and well understood, neither vicious anarchy nor hamfisted authoritarianism. It's the mood that's attractive. Enjoying a hobby, not viciousness, politics, vindictiveness, the antisocial media.
I'm also on a few car forums. If yours is dying, there is a reason it's unattractive and it ain't age. Mine aren't perfectly Barbi and Ken but they are for the most part lively.
You guys want more folks here? They are out there doing "forum" stuff over on Facebook. They won't come here if they aren't made welcome, and the biggest elephant in that room is Club Car. There are three times the number of posts there than in all the other sub-forums combined. That means people come here to brawl, and what O Scale hobbiest wants to be associated with that.
The owner could just separate it from the rest of the forum and make it a forum onto itself if he can't bring himself to kill it. Call it Mudpit or something. Everyone who grooves on politics and such can try to drive each other away and win the internet. Once it's gone, a few conditions of use from the owner (which has nothing to do with Constitutional Law let alone principles mistakenly applied to an international venue; the internet isn't just American) and see if the forum can recover in the modelling community such that folks will feel welcome to come here.
And that includes me. I'm surprised the jackals haven't come over here to give me a good goin' over for being so un-american as to criticise their exercising their God given Constitutional rights (Yeah. On a model train hobby forum, no less), if I'm honest.
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Sarge. People like facebook over this style forum( i should say the majority of people) with FB. One gets the feeling they are posting on their own space. Their little corner of the internet. FB has it down to a neurological science. With like buttons, hearts, friends and a boat load of emojis.
All this plays into ones dopamine level. The rush of knowing some stranger made a heart face about your skills and photographs. An instant hit to the brain. You can post with ease. Photos are a snap. Videos just as easy. Bing bang boom your’re live and a guy from Germany makes a thimbs up. Seconda later someone from NYC. “ that´s guy man. Wish i had that space” instant gratification. People want the rewards for their work. How many times has Mr. Turner said “ ím not posting anymore photos if you guys dońt respond”? We look at them but he does not know if we say nothing. So he is left feeling as they went to waste.
Try facebook yoúll love. Be warned there will be a few negative replies. So you block that person. It’s your soapbox to the world.
All this plays into ones dopamine level. The rush of knowing some stranger made a heart face about your skills and photographs. An instant hit to the brain. You can post with ease. Photos are a snap. Videos just as easy. Bing bang boom your’re live and a guy from Germany makes a thimbs up. Seconda later someone from NYC. “ that´s guy man. Wish i had that space” instant gratification. People want the rewards for their work. How many times has Mr. Turner said “ ím not posting anymore photos if you guys dońt respond”? We look at them but he does not know if we say nothing. So he is left feeling as they went to waste.
Try facebook yoúll love. Be warned there will be a few negative replies. So you block that person. It’s your soapbox to the world.
I spend entirely too many hours a day tying my shoes
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Robert, they are doing precisely the same forum activity on that platform as they could be doing on this. They have an O Scale Facebook Group ("scale" in the same vein as this sub-forum. I have no idea where you guys of the three-rail persuasion might congregate now). It's a Facebook Group in the same vein as the old Yahoo Groups, not to be confused with using F'book for personal social media self-promotion purposes.
Just as readily as they work around the disadvantages of that platform (such as thread continuity and searchability) compared to here, they are perfectly capable of handling the simplicity of third-party photo-hosting here if the social environment was at all attractive and welcoming. It isn't at all about some "superiority" of the platform itself. It's about the conviviality enjoyed by the group of people.
I won't do F'book myself for privacy reasons, but I know a lot of the people in that group and we have talked about why they are there. I'm not ignorant about the technology or the psychology, nor am I just makin' shit up here.
Where any of that is germane is to point out group discussion of the hobby is alive and well, not fading away as is used for explaining away the failures of MTJ by current MTJers who simply will not accept that they themselves have created and enjoy an environment so toxic that any of a large number of folks I know in the scale world want nothing to do with it, have tried it and left, counselled others to avoid it, and don't wish their names to be associated with the site as a whole.
I've no dog in this fight as I rarely post anymore. I have made several friends off the old MTJ back when it was a rollicking good time and I'm in touch with them personally, by phone, by text, or by email. We exchange modelling projects that way. Bob and I are now in touch by email, so we can go on about cars and trains and airplanes by those venues if he wants and I hope we do.
Bob mentioned a lack of traffic here and lamented that politics might be the only way to fix it, and I felt an honest response to a friend's query was important. I am posting about why I for one don't post here any more, and what many others I know tell me regarding why they aren't here, simple as that. Do with it as you guys will.
Just as readily as they work around the disadvantages of that platform (such as thread continuity and searchability) compared to here, they are perfectly capable of handling the simplicity of third-party photo-hosting here if the social environment was at all attractive and welcoming. It isn't at all about some "superiority" of the platform itself. It's about the conviviality enjoyed by the group of people.
I won't do F'book myself for privacy reasons, but I know a lot of the people in that group and we have talked about why they are there. I'm not ignorant about the technology or the psychology, nor am I just makin' shit up here.
Where any of that is germane is to point out group discussion of the hobby is alive and well, not fading away as is used for explaining away the failures of MTJ by current MTJers who simply will not accept that they themselves have created and enjoy an environment so toxic that any of a large number of folks I know in the scale world want nothing to do with it, have tried it and left, counselled others to avoid it, and don't wish their names to be associated with the site as a whole.
I've no dog in this fight as I rarely post anymore. I have made several friends off the old MTJ back when it was a rollicking good time and I'm in touch with them personally, by phone, by text, or by email. We exchange modelling projects that way. Bob and I are now in touch by email, so we can go on about cars and trains and airplanes by those venues if he wants and I hope we do.
Bob mentioned a lack of traffic here and lamented that politics might be the only way to fix it, and I felt an honest response to a friend's query was important. I am posting about why I for one don't post here any more, and what many others I know tell me regarding why they aren't here, simple as that. Do with it as you guys will.
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Could it possibly be the inability of some to stay on the original topic of the post? The originator of the topic was commenting on ridiculous prices on Ebay. Shortly thereafter things degenerated into: "What's wrong with this forum?"
Maybe if folks kept on topic, and put all the crap in the Club Car!
I don't come on here to read about what's wrong with the forum and a bunch of pissing and moaning.......that is the problem.
Rich
Maybe if folks kept on topic, and put all the crap in the Club Car!
I don't come on here to read about what's wrong with the forum and a bunch of pissing and moaning.......that is the problem.
Rich
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E7 wrote:Could it possibly be the inability of some to stay on the original topic of the post? The originator of the topic was commenting on ridiculous prices on Ebay. Shortly thereafter things degenerated into: "What's wrong with this forum?"
Maybe if folks kept on topic, and put all the crap in the Club Car!
I don't come on here to read about what's wrong with the forum and a bunch of pissing and moaning.......that is the problem.
Rich
I was wondering when one of the Club Car regulars was going to come give me a good telling off!
So, which of your lot's defences shall I employ to justify my poor behaviour. "Don't read it then"? Something clever about the First Amendment? How about your personal favourite, "Who made you the censor here?" The irony is just epic; it works both ways, or does it here?
Never mind. None of the above. You can relax; I've said what I want to say.
I'll give Marty and Neal your best.
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I think we've had some serious personality clashes between current and former members. Best to just let it go. We live in a very polarized world and the internet has helped it along. 
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sarge wrote:I'll give Marty and Neal your best.
You been hittin' the sauce?
Rich
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sarge wrote:I'll give Marty and Neal your best.
His name is Neil.
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