Possible Icken NYC Northern on the Bay

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Retroniac1
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Possible Icken NYC Northern on the Bay

Postby Retroniac1 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:22 pm

I have a couple Fred Icken KTM locos with upgraded gearboxes. This loco on the Bay looks like a scratch built Icken based on the gearbox appearance. I know for a fact that Fred Icken built a few of the NYC Northerns. Will try to find my Icken catalogs this weekend.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305485341092

bob turner
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Re: Possible Icken NYC Northern on the Bay

Postby bob turner » Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:41 pm

I am going to guess that it is a Max Gray. The gearbox looks a bit like a Max. caveat emptor. Opinion.

By the way, the model on OGR does look like a scratchbuilt. Frame is definitely not Scale Craft/CLW.

Retroniac1
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Re: Possible Icken NYC Northern on the Bay

Postby Retroniac1 » Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:18 pm

Bob,
I think you’re right; it appears to be more likely MG. Found some photos of a very old MG Niagara and most of the details match.
Rob

steamaheadstephen59
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Re: Possible Icken NYC Northern on the Bay

Postby steamaheadstephen59 » Sun Apr 07, 2024 10:18 pm

To me its Max Grey the gearbox is exactly the same as my MG Pennsy 2-10-4. I was just working on it so my memory is fresh. There still a worthwhile model in my opinion, despite the gearbox complaints.

Jay Criswell
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Re: Possible Icken NYC Northern on the Bay

Postby Jay Criswell » Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:29 am

Don't forget, Kemtron brought these models in also. They weren't May Gray or USH. Strictly Kemtron. I've been told they were a little more crude than the MG, imported around the same time frame.

Am I saying this is a Kemtron import? No, but maybe. Look at the front of the tender, where the MG wires/plugs (fiber strip with multiple receptacles) would be. It ain't there.

My 1 1/2 cents.

Jay


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