Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
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Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Several months ago I bought one of these resin kits and I'm now just getting around to assembling it.
Question, do you guys put the sides/floor/roof/ends together BEFORE you apply the grabs/ladders/steps, or do you put the bits on the flats BEFORE putting together?
Most of the parts I have on hand are from Chooch, that slippery plastic stuff, if that makes a difference.
Also, the original plans called for 4-wheeled Buckeye trucks, which I haven't found yet. I do have a pair of Bettendorfs I can use until some Buckeyes appear. Not sure what trucks are on the car in the photo.
I'll be cutting openings in the sides for the ventilators (gotten from Bill Lane) Seaboard applied on opposite side ends:
Question, do you guys put the sides/floor/roof/ends together BEFORE you apply the grabs/ladders/steps, or do you put the bits on the flats BEFORE putting together?
Most of the parts I have on hand are from Chooch, that slippery plastic stuff, if that makes a difference.
Also, the original plans called for 4-wheeled Buckeye trucks, which I haven't found yet. I do have a pair of Bettendorfs I can use until some Buckeyes appear. Not sure what trucks are on the car in the photo.
I'll be cutting openings in the sides for the ventilators (gotten from Bill Lane) Seaboard applied on opposite side ends:
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
I thought that the Rails Unlimited kits were already assembled body shells
You sure that you did not get an older Chooch kit? Either way, check for warping and variations in thickness if it's really a flat kit.
Yes.
Delrin.........PITA to work with and get it to stick to adhesives.... Goo + CA........firm maybe, probably,....
put the sides/floor/roof/ends together BEFORE you apply the grabs/ladders/steps,
Yes.
that slippery plastic stuff,
Delrin.........PITA to work with and get it to stick to adhesives.... Goo + CA........firm maybe, probably,....
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
When I ordered it from RU they offered pre-built ($30 more) or kit, so...
Were the kits originally from Chooch? The grabs and stuff I bought separately.
Thanks for the heads up on putting it together!!!
I know I've had it since April (when my kids moved in), but would have to check the paperwork to see when I actually ordered it.
I'll get to work on putting it together this week (now that the kids are in their new home).
Were the kits originally from Chooch? The grabs and stuff I bought separately.
Thanks for the heads up on putting it together!!!
I know I've had it since April (when my kids moved in), but would have to check the paperwork to see when I actually ordered it.
I'll get to work on putting it together this week (now that the kids are in their new home).
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Seaboard Air Line Fan wrote:Were the kits originally from Chooch?
Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away, Chooch made kits for boxcars and reefers - 6 castings to make the body and bags of goodies to finish them out.
Many were and still are warped and some parts were X thickness at one end and 2X at the other.
Yea and verily the Lord did grin and the modelers did rejoice and there would be much sanding and filing to assemble said kits, but when mastered a very attractive car could be produced. And, in some instances some modelers were taken away restrained and sedated never to do much more than to weave Longaberger baskets down at the rest home....
The grabs and stuff I bought separately.
Might be easier now however to drill and thread underbody plumbing while the floor is a separate unit after dry fitting everything together.
I'll get to work on putting it together this week (now that the kids are in their new home).
'Tis a goodly plan, methinks, and will also permit the needed excess consumption of alcoholic beverages and much colorful language. Mayhaps the the sacrificial chicken will not be required.
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Bob,
Bill Davis (brassmonger) on Ebay has Andrews trucks that look similar to the ones on the car in the PHOTO:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/O-Scale-America ... SwCQZZNxwZ
Look at the one on the bottom (the one on top leaning looks like the coil springs might have been smashed).
Rich
Bill Davis (brassmonger) on Ebay has Andrews trucks that look similar to the ones on the car in the PHOTO:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/O-Scale-America ... SwCQZZNxwZ
Look at the one on the bottom (the one on top leaning looks like the coil springs might have been smashed).
Rich
Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Re: Chooch/RU kits:
Chooch hasn't produced kits in year. None of RU's kits are those terrible early chooch kits. (The newer chooch kits were just fine, I built several. Some were even one-piece bodies.) RU's newer sides/bodies are produced by one of several of Ted's casters. Not sure who did the patterns for the ARA. Ted doesn't really share that business knowledge.
The newer RU kit's bodies come as flat or assembled for extra money. Considering the time it takes to square up car sides, if Ted ever produces a pattern I want again, I will gladly pay the extra money to make sure it comes assembled. $30 is well worth a few hours of time and headache.
Older RU bodies such as the ribside cars come as one-piece. I have built 3 or 4 of those kits. I have one or two other of his kits in various stages of completion. They are really good castings, little to no bubbles in anything I've received from him, as it should be.
Re: your kit questions:
But yea, in any flat kit I've ever built from any kit maker, I typically assemble the body, then worry about the details - sides, then ends, then roof, then underframe. Looking at your vent detail, it is probably easier to cut the hole for that first before assembling the body, but it really doesn't matter.
Chooch's engineering plastic detail parts are fantastic, but that material is harder to work with. Ladders and Stirrups are usually an item I do last. Avoid Goo unless your application technique is amazing. I use primarily loctite CA Gel on any multi-material build I do. Handle with care.
I use any detail parts from any company as necessary, I don't care who makes them as long as they're accurate and what I need. Some need serious flash cleanup/filing. PSC, DPH, P&D, etc. I am not proto48, so Tichy grab irons and rivets are fine with me. Archer rivet and louver decals are handy for certain builds that require tons of rivets in a straight line. Use a ruler to line up. You should be able to google all of those companies for more info. Throw in Oscale or parts or some other keyword and it should get you there.
Some stirrups I build by hand from flat brass (I forget what width) and drill #76 holes with a pinvise for soldering .02 wire to stick into the car body/stirrup-rivet detail. This is a trick I learned from building kits from Southern Car and Foundry. Their kits are museum quality. Wish they made more things I was interested in. You should be able to buy all of that on ebay or amazon.
Any mistakes/holes, I patch the holes with styrene and/or loctite gel and/or bondo spot putty from auto store. Repeatedly apply bondo/sand/lightly airbrush until you can't tell there was ever a hole. Yup, this takes time, be patient.
Duplicolor white or gray primer from autozone is good primer for any kit after you wash the bare bodies down with soap. Goes on super light. Rarely do I wet-sand the primer. Then airbrush on your favorite brand of color and use your preferred decal method. Don't have a preferred method? Buy microscale stuff and follow their instructions. Some people are happy with spray cans, but IMHO application is too heavy and much less controlled. I only use them for glosscote and dullcote and am soon transitioning that over to airbrush too.
If you need to see someone's step by step process, go google up Gene Deimling's blog on how he builds his proto 48 cars. That should give you an idea of how to build cars in general, albeit his are from usually from scratch. His blog also has a lot of phenomenal weathering pictures courtesy of expert modeler Lee Turner. Proto48.org is a good general reference for stuff. Might have a link to Gene's blog too.
Also go google up images of the underframe of freight cars so you know how brake rigging works and how it should all be connected in general. Note its not the same for every car. Ted might provide photos of the bottom of his cars on his website, but depending on the car, his pictures might show K brakes, but a later modeling era may have changed that over to AB brakes. (Your car in the picture has AB brakes; you can see the triple valve, brake cylinder and AB reservoir locations.)
In general, if it matters to you, do your research, buy diagram and picture books (lots of good photos are only in books), etc to find what you need to know. Sometimes only ex-RR employees know, but I save that for a last resort if my personal library fails me and unfortunately life makes us old and that resource will dry up within the next 1-3 decades or so. Sometimes I spend as much time researching the prototype as I do building the kit. It happens. Rarely does it not result in a decent finished model.
Above is how I do it. YMMV.
Chooch hasn't produced kits in year. None of RU's kits are those terrible early chooch kits. (The newer chooch kits were just fine, I built several. Some were even one-piece bodies.) RU's newer sides/bodies are produced by one of several of Ted's casters. Not sure who did the patterns for the ARA. Ted doesn't really share that business knowledge.
The newer RU kit's bodies come as flat or assembled for extra money. Considering the time it takes to square up car sides, if Ted ever produces a pattern I want again, I will gladly pay the extra money to make sure it comes assembled. $30 is well worth a few hours of time and headache.
Older RU bodies such as the ribside cars come as one-piece. I have built 3 or 4 of those kits. I have one or two other of his kits in various stages of completion. They are really good castings, little to no bubbles in anything I've received from him, as it should be.
Re: your kit questions:
But yea, in any flat kit I've ever built from any kit maker, I typically assemble the body, then worry about the details - sides, then ends, then roof, then underframe. Looking at your vent detail, it is probably easier to cut the hole for that first before assembling the body, but it really doesn't matter.
Chooch's engineering plastic detail parts are fantastic, but that material is harder to work with. Ladders and Stirrups are usually an item I do last. Avoid Goo unless your application technique is amazing. I use primarily loctite CA Gel on any multi-material build I do. Handle with care.
I use any detail parts from any company as necessary, I don't care who makes them as long as they're accurate and what I need. Some need serious flash cleanup/filing. PSC, DPH, P&D, etc. I am not proto48, so Tichy grab irons and rivets are fine with me. Archer rivet and louver decals are handy for certain builds that require tons of rivets in a straight line. Use a ruler to line up. You should be able to google all of those companies for more info. Throw in Oscale or parts or some other keyword and it should get you there.
Some stirrups I build by hand from flat brass (I forget what width) and drill #76 holes with a pinvise for soldering .02 wire to stick into the car body/stirrup-rivet detail. This is a trick I learned from building kits from Southern Car and Foundry. Their kits are museum quality. Wish they made more things I was interested in. You should be able to buy all of that on ebay or amazon.
Any mistakes/holes, I patch the holes with styrene and/or loctite gel and/or bondo spot putty from auto store. Repeatedly apply bondo/sand/lightly airbrush until you can't tell there was ever a hole. Yup, this takes time, be patient.
Duplicolor white or gray primer from autozone is good primer for any kit after you wash the bare bodies down with soap. Goes on super light. Rarely do I wet-sand the primer. Then airbrush on your favorite brand of color and use your preferred decal method. Don't have a preferred method? Buy microscale stuff and follow their instructions. Some people are happy with spray cans, but IMHO application is too heavy and much less controlled. I only use them for glosscote and dullcote and am soon transitioning that over to airbrush too.
If you need to see someone's step by step process, go google up Gene Deimling's blog on how he builds his proto 48 cars. That should give you an idea of how to build cars in general, albeit his are from usually from scratch. His blog also has a lot of phenomenal weathering pictures courtesy of expert modeler Lee Turner. Proto48.org is a good general reference for stuff. Might have a link to Gene's blog too.
Also go google up images of the underframe of freight cars so you know how brake rigging works and how it should all be connected in general. Note its not the same for every car. Ted might provide photos of the bottom of his cars on his website, but depending on the car, his pictures might show K brakes, but a later modeling era may have changed that over to AB brakes. (Your car in the picture has AB brakes; you can see the triple valve, brake cylinder and AB reservoir locations.)
In general, if it matters to you, do your research, buy diagram and picture books (lots of good photos are only in books), etc to find what you need to know. Sometimes only ex-RR employees know, but I save that for a last resort if my personal library fails me and unfortunately life makes us old and that resource will dry up within the next 1-3 decades or so. Sometimes I spend as much time researching the prototype as I do building the kit. It happens. Rarely does it not result in a decent finished model.
Above is how I do it. YMMV.
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Thanks guys for all the excellent advice!
I don't see any varying thickness of the castings, a little warping, and a few air holes that need filling. Overall the detail is fine
I need to get some tools: more drill bits, super glue (mine has turned into Gel it's that old), and some Bondo.
Mainline Modeler had some detailed drawings of the ARA 1932 car, so if I can follow directions (fat chance of that) I should be good to go.
The trucks I have are Athearn, but those brass trucks look nice and will add weight to the model.
I've built kits, but I don't think any of them have been resin types.
Thanks again for all the help

I don't see any varying thickness of the castings, a little warping, and a few air holes that need filling. Overall the detail is fine
I need to get some tools: more drill bits, super glue (mine has turned into Gel it's that old), and some Bondo.
Mainline Modeler had some detailed drawings of the ARA 1932 car, so if I can follow directions (fat chance of that) I should be good to go.
The trucks I have are Athearn, but those brass trucks look nice and will add weight to the model.
I've built kits, but I don't think any of them have been resin types.
Thanks again for all the help
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Hey Bob D, please post a picture or two of what you start with, then progress. I am considering a couple of the RU boxcars. I have not seen any in the "raw" , and am curious.
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Here ya go:
All the parts from the kit (roof, side, underframe, side, underframe ribs)
Closer view
Holes in castings
Closeup of detail
I stopped and picked up some glue and Bondo, I need some new drill bits but I have what I need to start. Tonight I'll fill the holes.
All the parts from the kit (roof, side, underframe, side, underframe ribs)
Closer view
Holes in castings
Closeup of detail
I stopped and picked up some glue and Bondo, I need some new drill bits but I have what I need to start. Tonight I'll fill the holes.
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Interesting. I've never seen any of the RU cars look that yellow in the raw resin....
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At least it appears that the holes on on the "back side" of the castings.
Thank you Bob.
Thank you Bob.
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
They are yellow
I washed the parts last night, first with soap and water, then vinegar, then alcohol to make sure they were clean of oil...still can smell the resin and that's after sitting in the box for over 4 months!!!
Yep, no holes on the outer surfaces.
I washed the parts last night, first with soap and water, then vinegar, then alcohol to make sure they were clean of oil...still can smell the resin and that's after sitting in the box for over 4 months!!!
Yep, no holes on the outer surfaces.
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
I know Ted was having "issues" with his old caster and switched. Unless your camera is off I have never seen yellow castings like these. The new cars I shot for him at Chicago were the standard dirty white. Guess I'll have to check at Indy.
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Re: Rails Unlimited ARA 1932 SAL Boxcar?
Dan,
I had to go look again, the photos are pretty accurate on the actual color.
I believe Ted told me that the guy that usually assembled the kits into a builtup model wasn't available, so that's why I got the kit instead of the built model. Was he the same guy that did the casting?
The yellow doesn't bother me, paint will make it disappear
I was going to use a roof walk from Atlas, but it's too short (doesn't hang over the ends) and the short walks (where the ladders are located) are too long. I might be able to cut and paste to get it right but I need to look for an alternative.
I had to go look again, the photos are pretty accurate on the actual color.
I believe Ted told me that the guy that usually assembled the kits into a builtup model wasn't available, so that's why I got the kit instead of the built model. Was he the same guy that did the casting?
The yellow doesn't bother me, paint will make it disappear
I was going to use a roof walk from Atlas, but it's too short (doesn't hang over the ends) and the short walks (where the ladders are located) are too long. I might be able to cut and paste to get it right but I need to look for an alternative.
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