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Re: Paint Shop

Postby sarge » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:03 pm

rex desilets wrote:If'n you're going to put your freshly-built car in the tracks, there to stay, they are wonderful. If you need to schlep them to your club and return, way too many bits break off.


I'll have to argue that. I've shipped them from Europe home after building them with no damage if packed with some intelligence (not so much San Juan tank cars. Grin!) I've taken them to shows to sell or run on exhibition layouts, and again they are perfectly survivable if treated like a scale model, not a toy. I found the whole robustness bit really boiled down to care in assembly (how many lasy effs couldn't be bothered to clear the paint in the holes before gluing up?) and care in handling.

What Atlas did to those cars to make them "handleable" as the three-rail world demanded was to go backwards with respect to fidelity, but that was what the market demanded and more importantly make them bombproof to ship in containers from China, since they expect everyone to send them back to fix them, since the hobbiest won't. Too bad about the crap quality control and the zincpest in the ladders on several runs.

You do hit the real nail. Here, the builders are rare compared to the box peelers. Even San Juan had to get the Chinese to build them because the huge proportion of Americans don't want to. Too bad Intermountain only did the four kits, and Red Caboose three. They were stellar, but the market in the US wouldn't go for it.

To the UK kits, I've often wondered why the huge difference is in how the hobby is practiced. Just the two ranges mentioned have 125 prototype specific goods wagons kits between them. The Brits carry everything to exhibitions and the club (not many have room for home layouts like in America) and the "lack of robustness" argument regarding styrene kitbuilt stock just doesn't come up. All these kits are made in the UK, so the argument it costs too much to make stuff in the US is bollocks. It boils down to one thing. In 7mm the building of each model is part of the culture.

Some RTR is available too, but the choice in modern kits just beggars belief.

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:16 pm

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby Tom Dempsey » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:21 pm

I really hope so!

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby Robert » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:04 am

From the 1950's to present the purchase of a scale model was a moment of delight for me. Building it as best I could and displaying it some where my parents would allow...all good fun. I still have my first craftsman kit...photo below... An HO scale wood Main Line express reefer in Great Northern trim. I fitted that out with a pair of appropriate Central Valley trucks, and Kadee 5 &10 couplers which was nowhere near the X2f couplers found on the ready to run stuff of the day. This little beauty just makes me smile...even today as I snapped this picture.
I read how the newer hobbyists prefer ready to run these days. I find that a short coming to a degree, but if it mean participating in a hobby verses getting glued to the boob tube then I can accept it. Still there is a loss of the magical pleasure of building a model, and I see the bulk of the smart phone in one hand crowd will probably have nothing remotely close to that wonderful experience. So be it.

First HO kit.JPG


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Re: Paint Shop

Postby De Bruin » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:12 pm

Whoa! now that is one really good looking "box of sticks" regardless of scale Robert, well done sir.

I built the O Scale version (origional, badly cut Mainline Models) of this kit, silk-screened in the early REA bronze letter scheme sans herald with the flat roof(they had a round roof kit too) As I recall I traded it to Brady McGuire for some Atlas shells, makes me laugh now, Brady knew my weaknesses then when it came to trading like he had an x-ray of my brain.
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Re: Paint Shop

Postby bob turner » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:15 pm

I have always had trouble with those multi-piece sides. Even when I glue them to a solid block, they warp and pull off. Now I use ancient scribed plywood for ice cars.

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby sarge » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:45 am

When I was very young, Wash Loveland tipped me into the Secrets of the Ancients. Back them with gluesoaked muslin. They will never split apart again, warp. Ever.

Of course, everyone in his generation knew muslin reenforced butt-joints as a furniture maker's staple; a natural go-to technique. Even roll-tops were done with that stuff.

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:03 am

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby rogruth » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:16 am

Rufus,
Hope to see more of your layout someday.
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Re: Paint Shop

Postby Tom Dempsey » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:57 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Everything (1 exception) has been halted and/or shoved to the side so that I can work on my layout.


Gotta go with the priorities, please post pitchers

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:04 am

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby rex desilets » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:54 am

sarge wrote:When I was very young, Wash Loveland tipped me into the Secrets of the Ancients. Back them with gluesoaked muslin. They will never split apart again, warp. Ever.

Of course, everyone in his generation knew muslin reenforced butt-joints as a furniture maker's staple; a natural go-to technique. Even roll-tops were done with that stuff.
Is there a particular glue recommended? I presume nothing water-based.
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Re: Paint Shop

Postby Robert » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:29 pm

De Bruin wrote:Whoa! now that is one really good looking "box of sticks" regardless of scale Robert, well done sir.


I appreciate your compliment Pete.

I remember buying that kit for $ 3.45 at Campbell's Sporting Goods which sold a wide assortment of merchandise from fishing tackle to models...the Main Line kit sat gathering dust in the showcase near the cash register. It gnawed away at me for months until in a fit of extravagance I sprung for it. Up until that purchase my HO collection was largely Athearn plastic stuff. It's a fond memory.

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby sarge » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:28 pm

rex desilets wrote:
sarge wrote:When I was very young, Wash Loveland tipped me into the Secrets of the Ancients. Back them with gluesoaked muslin. They will never split apart again, warp. Ever.

Of course, everyone in his generation knew muslin reenforced butt-joints as a furniture maker's staple; a natural go-to technique. Even roll-tops were done with that stuff.
Is there a particular glue recommended? I presume nothing water-based.


Talking carsides, a bad assumption. Butt-joint glue them, then a thin coat of Elmers neat on the back. Lay soaked and wrung cotton ( even old sheet works fine) and rollout with a hardrubber printer's roller. Bombproof when dried.

We also were well schooled in sealing wood kit bits before gluing up. Butyrate then, though cell'y lacquer works fine.

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Re: Paint Shop

Postby robert. » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:00 pm

I have spray cans of sanding sealer made by Mohawk. Works great. You can paint,stain,glue and wax right over it.
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