The Real Story of January 6th

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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby Neil » Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:07 am

"Unfortunately, the parallels are sadly present."

Maybe so, but you've got it backwards. Trump is closer to Hitler, and the MAGA movement has many fascist parallels, than any one of his opponents, Democrat, Republican or independent. The Nazis were, like MAGA extremists, about preserving white supremacy, decidedly anti-immigrant/"non-Aryan" and comfortable using violence to defeat the opposition. Trump and his more radical supporters agree that people like you and me don't belong in his Aryan United States (too Mediterranean), and violence is justified to defend the existing social order :). I find it notable that the grandsons and granddaughters of Irish, Italian, Eastern European etc. immigrants employ the identical hateful rhetoric to demonize mostly Spanish speaking refugees to that used by the Anglo-Saxon racists/nativists of the 19th and early 20th century against their Irish, Italian, etc. ancestors. Pathetic and disheartening.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby robert. » Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:56 pm

Twice this summer people have asked me. " how do you feel about Jan 6"? Both times i give the same answer. I write it down and place my answer in front of me. I Then ask a few questions. I ask to see a show of hands. "Who thinks in was a set up or trap for Trump supporters?" "Did the police entice people to storm the Capitol Building"? " Was it just spoiled People wanting to do some damage"?
After nudging people to raise their hands. I ask who remembers Hansel & Gretel? I then retell the the story quickly. 2 kids lost in the woods. Find a house made of candy. Start eating it and create damage to the house. A lady tempts them inside. Where she tries to fatten these kids up. Before eating them.
After telling this version. I ask " Was Hansel & Gretel a trap? " Are Hansel & Gretel 2 spoiled kids trying to do damage"? Should Hansel & Gretel's parents have done a better job of raising them?
I hand my answer over to the moderator. " Hansel & Gretel's parents failed them. H&G should have know. Do not to enter anyone's house no matter how sweat the reward looked. Even if you are hungry for change and believe you are doing the right thing or the door magically opens. You never know what kind of evil is inside.
I then ask for the mod to read from the other side of my note. I can't believe people were angry enough to storm the Capitol. It shows guts and stupidity. I would lock them up and change security measure for all future inauguration days.
for the record. I had this response in hand for weeks before someone hit me with that question. I pulled the paper out and made it look like i was writing it. You can't enter someone's house and eat their chocolate without paying a price.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby gregj410 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:12 pm

I can't believe people were angry enough to storm the Capitol


Than you don’t realize how fed up the American people are with the current system of governance

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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby G3750 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:35 pm

Neil wrote:"Unfortunately, the parallels are sadly present."

Maybe so, but you've got it backwards. Trump is closer to Hitler, and the MAGA movement has many fascist parallels, than any one of his opponents, Democrat, Republican or independent. The Nazis were, like MAGA extremists, about preserving white supremacy, decidedly anti-immigrant/"non-Aryan" and comfortable using violence to defeat the opposition. Trump and his more radical supporters agree that people like you and me don't belong in his Aryan United States (too Mediterranean), and violence is justified to defend the existing social order :). I find it notable that the grandsons and granddaughters of Irish, Italian, Eastern European etc. immigrants employ the identical hateful rhetoric to demonize mostly Spanish speaking refugees to that used by the Anglo-Saxon racists/nativists of the 19th and early 20th century against their Irish, Italian, etc. ancestors. Pathetic and disheartening.


Really Neil, Hitler? Oh yeah, I remember. Hitler left office voluntarily after people voted him out. Oh wait, that was Trump.

And Trump had a massive propaganda machine working for him. Oh wait, that was Hitler who had Goebbels and control of the press. Oh wait, Biden had the entire mainstream media working for him while he hid in his basement.

It's a cool story Neil, but you remain confused. You continue to draw the incorrect conclusions and mix metaphors. Of all the presidents in the past 40 years, Trump has obeyed the Constitution consistently. Trump was the person who dared to oppose the vast government bureaucracy (aka The Swamp). Chew on this quote from Niccolo Machiavelli:
There is nothing more difficult to plan, more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to manage than the creation of a new system.
For the initiator has the enmity of all who would profit by the preservation of the old system (like The Swamp?) and merely lukewarm defenders in those who would gain by the new one (like the RINOs?).


I think that pretty much sums up the attempts to portray Trump as a Russian dupe using the Steele Dossier, the January 6th hoax, and the current "classified" documents false narrative.

2024 is going to suck for you, Neil. Trump, unless he is assassinated by some of your fanatical leftist friends, is going to be re-elected President.

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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby robert. » Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:45 am

It would be ironic if those saying "Biden is to old" elect a guy the same age. we need an age ceiling on running for president. It's not a job for people in their upper 70's.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby Neil » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:09 am

If you think Trump is a decent human being, there is nothing anyone can say or that he can do to change your mind George. But to many of us, he's clearly a devious, dishonest, Machiavellian :) individual who has used racism, xenophobia, misogyny and other bad stuff to win the votes of too many of our fellow citizens who share these prejudices. The problem is that a significant portion of the Republican party has bought into his lies about his past history of sexual violence, his relationship with Putin, the election, Jan. 6th and the role of immigration in our society. Not to mention his and their desire to deprive women of agency and reproductive freedom.

There is hope, as progress does occur. Romney and several other Republicans supported legal rights for those who do not conform to traditional concepts of sexual biology by allowing these people free association through marriage. This would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. The human race will make progress despite the best attempts of barbarians/conservatives to cling to cruel and false narratives about people and government. Monarchy anyone? :) I think not.

As for Trump winning in 2024, it would take the sort of economic disaster that thrust Hitler into power in the 1930s to have that happen. Even a substantial number of registered Republican voters find him reprehensible at worst, and a boat anchor at best. He's recognizably evil to many of us, if not to you.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby v8vega » Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:02 am

A lot of those guys Jan.6 just went there to see what's going on and were just standing around. Now there slammed into jail with no bail, no rights, no hearing for months. Then offered plead guilty or face years in prison.
Do you want to live in a country like that?

I'll never get people who want $5 gas $7 in california, inflation, interest rates so high no one can buy a house or car, wide open borders, high crime. How can you be so dumb?

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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:11 pm

v8vega wrote:..... interest rates so high no one can buy a house or car...


The 1st house we bought in the 80's we had an interest rate of 12%. We were lucky to get that as it went up the next day. Amazing how everyone forgets the 80's. Today's mortgage rates are not even 1/2 of that.

The car we bought in '83 we got a loan of 16%. Commercials on TV are showing 3.49%.

Amazing how many people think the rates today are "so high". There's more of that ignorance that politicians love.

As for inflation, I guess everyone has forgotten the double digit inflation years and when gas was rationed odd/even days.

Everyone has gotten spoiled.

BTW, $3.31 here in VA. Interestingly you might take a look at what states have high gas prices. It correlates to states where the oil companies wanted to make political changes - yup, you've all been played again by the oil companies.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby Neil » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:49 pm

"How can you be so dumb?"

How can you be so dumb as to think politicians determine inflation, economic growth or immigration? Countries in Europe with similar economies to ours (UK, Italy, Sweden, etc.) all have high inflation, economic troubles and immigration problems. None of them are run by Joe Biden or Donald Trump. None of them are socialist, communist or fascist. Try to learn something from history and reality. It bears no resemblance to the agenda currently being pushed by the MAGA nincompoops :).
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby robert. » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:02 pm

Italy is walking a very thin line towards fascism and from what i heat people love the lady in charge.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:24 pm

robert. wrote:Italy is walking a very thin line towards fascism and from what i heat people love the lady in charge.


Wait 6 months - they change Gov'ts there like some folks change their bedding.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:38 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
robert. wrote:Italy is walking a very thin line towards fascism and from what i heat people love the lady in charge.


Wait 6 months - they change Gov'ts there like some folks change their bedding.


They have an sustainable influx of bed bugs flooding into their country and changing the bedding won't fix the problem :lol:

And Sweden is now headed in the same direction as Italy..... :wink:

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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby robert. » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:31 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
robert. wrote:Italy is walking a very thin line towards fascism and from what i heat people love the lady in charge.


Wait 6 months - they change Gov'ts there like some folks change their bedding.

Not many make it to 4 years. Some only last 2 weeks. I had no clue about this. I googled it. Only one made it 20 years. 1 made3 it 7 years and a handful made it to 4.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby robert. » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:35 pm

One thing i can say about the republicans is. " They have many recognizable names. They did well in keeping their names out there". Dems not so well. Things can change in two years.
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Re: The Real Story of January 6th

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:09 pm

robert. wrote:One thing i can say about the republicans is. " They have many recognizable names. They did well in keeping their names out there". Dems not so well. Things can change in two years.


Robert This country is like a pendulum it swings back a forth. The people say this isn't working so they swing the other direction and then they come to the conclusion that isn't working so they swing back the other direction..... :wink:


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