Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:38 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
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You're over-analyzing a morality tale and fable.

You are exactly correct in that it is a morality tale. But your are incorrect that I am "over-analyzing." That's what we former college undergrads do, we question and search and sometimes find stuff out, for ourselves. There is no "over."


Sure there is - after you and the uncounted host have knowingly beaten the horse to death you are allowed to stop and move on to other questions that might actually have answers rooted in more than speculation.

OK. Case closed.
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:41 am

Next question?
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby rogruth » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:44 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Next question?

What does that red dot on some Indian peoples forehead mean?
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:46 am

rogruth wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Next question?

What does that red dot on some Indian peoples forehead mean?

I think it has to do with a "third-eye" endowing one with special vision. :?:

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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:28 pm

In the case of women, I thought it was to indicate that they were married, :?
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby chuck » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:18 pm

Bindi has multiple meanings and it's not just women that wear the mark or that it designates marital status:

From Wikipedia:

A bindi is a bright dot of some colour applied in the centre of the forehead close to the eyebrows worn in the Indian subcontinent (particularly amongst Hindus in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and Sri Lanka)[2] and Southeast Asia among Balinese, Javanese, Malaysian, Singaporean and Burmese Hindus.

It has religious significance and is tied to, among other things, the sixth chakra and the Third Eye.
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:20 pm

Interesting; both meanings:

The bindi can symbolize many aspects of the Hindu culture, but from the beginning it has always been a red dot worn on the forehead, most commonly to represent a married woman. The bindi is also said to be the third eye in Hindu religion, and it can be used to ward off bad luck.
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby webenda » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:41 am

rogruth wrote:Wayne,
What brought on my question was that I was taught that Adam and Eve were the first two people and they had two sons, one of which killed his brother.
He was made to leave. If, as many were taught, there was only Adam and Eve and, at that time, their two sons, where did that other tribe come from?
IMHO many churches still evade that question.

Roger, let's look to the Bible for the answer to your question.

Genesis 1:27 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
27 So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.


Now there are two people.

Genesis 1:28
28 God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it..."


The two, Adam and Ever, are asked to make more people.

Genesis 4:1 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
4 Now the man knew his wife Eve, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have produced[a] a man with the help of the Lord.”


Now there are three people.

Genesis 4:2
2 Next she bore his brother Abel.


Now there are 4 people.

Genesis 4:8
8 Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let us go out to the field.” And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel, and killed him.


Now there are 3 people.

Genesis 4:25
25 Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another child instead of Abel, because Cain killed him.”


Now there are 4 people.

Genesis 5:4
4 The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters.


How many people are there now? If Adam and Eve had a child every year of Adam's life there would be 4 + 800 people, men and women, just from Adam and Eve. How about all the children from the brother-sister marriages? At 15 years of age, they would start producing more people. Back then people lived 900 years, more or less. By the time Cain was ready to marry he had many choices amongst all his sisters and nieces.

Genesis 4:16-17
16 Then Cain went away from the presence of the Lord, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch; and he built a city, and named it Enoch after his son Enoch.


Cain went into banishment in “the land of wanderers ('Nod' in Hebrew) to the east of Eden,” taking with him his wife, an anonymous daughter or granddaughter of Adam and Eve. That he built a city would indicate he and his wife stopped wandering and lived in Enoch City. The Catholc Bible calls this, "Beginnings of Civilization."

There were no tribes at this time in Bible history.
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:40 am

So, given your Biblical chronology you provided us, can one conclude that a significant portion of the Human Race would be the product of incest among the immediate Adam-Eve family, and including such examples as Lot in his cave with his daughters, post-Sodom-Gomorrah Armageddon event ? Wouldn't such a custom, "How about all the children from the brother-sister marriages," as you stated it, indicate the possibility of birth defects and other possible gross abnormalities as becoming rampant and/or "the norm" ? Most religions and civilizations have rules and was against such "unions," likely, IMHO, due to the possibility of deformed children, and rampant microcephaly, etc. (?) Maybe, if we accept the chronology and its statements, Adam and Eve had much larger, or differently shaped, skulls than we, their descendants, one might wonder (?)

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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:16 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:.... and rampant microcephaly, etc.


Where does this fixation on microcephaly originate? Incest laws and rules were obviously derived from the knowledge obtained from having too small a genetic pool within herd stock.
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:21 am

Fixation? Who's fixated? Calm down.

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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:20 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Fixation? Who's fixated? Calm down.


Something about the size of heads pops up periodically. There are so many genetic flaws that can be activated from a small gene pool.....
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:55 am

Science says humans evolved from monkeys/apes. Obviously humans are a genetic mutation from brother and sister monkeys/apes having sex. Out pops a human. :mrgreen:

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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:02 am

HONDO74 wrote:Obviously humans are a genetic mutation from brother and sister monkeys/apes having sex.


That's not at all obvious; genetics is just a wee tad more complicated than that.....
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Re: Answer to Murph, "Where is the harm?"

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:14 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:Obviously humans are a genetic mutation from brother and sister monkeys/apes having sex.


That's not at all obvious; genetics is just a wee tad more complicated than that.....


Okay, I'm interested to hear how it did happen ??


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