Seen in Print

[Mitch]

So let me get started. First off, the BBC report posted by Hondo is an incredible chunk of journalism, given the very short amount of time from the fire until originally posted. Quite informative and factual. Had it been CNN reporting, they would have stated "The Cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris has burnt down, and Trump did it. N.Y. Representative Jerry Nadler calls for an investigation".
The wood Roy posted appears to not only be old growth verses new growth, they are totally different species of wood. If I had to guess, (just by the looks) I would say the top 2 x 4 is Douglas Fir or Larch pine, whereby the bottom 2 x 6 is yellow pine. It's apples and oranges.
Also IMHO, I believe French President Macron's prediction that Notre Dame will be rebuilt in 5 years is a bit overly optimistic. The environmental impact study alone could take that long. Go ahead, rag on me. I can take it.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I wasn't planning on it, but if you are recommending it....

You're an excitable li'l bugger at times, aren't ya.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

The sophistry is getting awfully thick, around here.

We will keep trying until you "get it" concerning the importance of tree ring diameter and how it relates to rebuilding Notre Dame's roof..

Your idea of laminating timbers seems an important one, Wayne. Suggest it to them?

[webenda]

Nah, I'm done. We are now measuring a different type of density.

OK, I quit too.

Darn! I was looking forward to seeing how long it would take for it to be got.

Ten, ten laughiing emojis Roger. Sometimes you are extremely funny.

[webenda]

The sophistry is getting awfully thick, around here.

We will keep trying until you "get it" concerning the importance of tree ring diameter and how it relates to rebuilding Notre Dame's roof..

Your idea of laminating timbers seems an important one, Wayne. Suggest it to them?

Although I thought of laminating, it just would not be right for restoration of such an old treasure, so I did not reveal the thought.

When it comes to beams such as may be required for the cathedral reconstruction, laminated timbers might be used to replace former solid wood ones.

Lamination should not be necessary, there are tons of old growth oak trees left, just none in France.


A live oak could be on the verge of breaking a record in Iron City, Georgia. The owner Roger Spooner says “It covers an acre; the limbs do an acre completely, 70 yards”.

Rot Resistance: Live Oak has been rated as having very good resistance to decay, and has been used frequently in ship and boatbuilding. ... Though, due to its incredible density, (especially for an oak), Live Oak is harder to work with than other species of the Quercus genus.

What species of oak are they looking for?

[NJPiney]

If they want to use "authentic" timbers two possibilities are salvaged ones from other buildings and logs raised from lake or ocean bottoms from old shipwrecks. I know much timber has been salvaged from the bottoms of several of the Great Lakes. I'm not sure if it's been done with ocean shipwrecks, or if there are even any left in either case. I have no idea much standing old growth timber is available in Europe or anywhere else. It has been in great demand for some time, and isn't likely standing around in great amounts because nobody realized it had value. But I admit I could be wrong on that. Stands could be untouched for a variety of reasons. I'd like to see it done right as well. I'm as far from a religious person as you'll find but I consider this structure a historic treasure as much as a religious one.

There are plenty of rot resistance species to use. I carve waterfowl decoys from Atlantic white cedar for that reason. But if rot resistance and strength is desired, any of the trees in the white oak group would work. Oaks have large pores, but with the the white oaks (the group, not the species), chemical extractives fill and clog those pore as the cells die. This makes them less permeable to water, and more rot proof. It is why barrels used for liquids are made from that type of wood.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Lamination should not be necessary, there are tons of old growth oak trees left, just none in France.

Not of what's really needed - consider cutting a 12" x 18" beam (probably too small) from a tree and you need a 40' long beam as well and also should not incorporate heartwood. That requires a 4' diameter tree at the far upper end of the tree for such a log. Other requirement is that it be straight. Next requirement is that it be white oak. Live oak rarely grows to suitable length straight to make suitable beams. Next requirement would be that it be dry and workable which takes a good bit of time to achieve.

Lamination and the use of modern materials traverse a lot of obstacles and difficulties. One might also hope that the inclusion of fire response systems would be part of the process and that this spur the rest of Europe to take a hard look at many of their historical buildings regarding fire prevention.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

[MurphOnMillerAve]

A NJ man was arrested for entering St Patrick's Cathedral on 5th Ave in NYC last night with 2 large cans of gasoline . He was also carrying lighter-fluid type containers as well as butane lighters. Some of the gasoline had spilled onto the floor. He had parked at the curb in front of the edifice.

[up148]

They ought to drag him outside, pour the gasoline on him and shoot anyone who tries to stop the fire. If we lose a looney or two who cares. We are too weak on this type BS and one reason we have copycat horrible crimes.

BH

[MurphOnMillerAve]

So?

Exactly.

Meh...

Each element of Easter has its place. The candy; chocolate bunnies; coloring hard-boiled eggs; celebrating the renewal of life with the arrival of Spring . In fact, as a boy, I used to dye eggs along with my parents just before I walked the 2mi to church , altarboy cassock and surplice in-hand, to serve at various Roman Catholic rituals at our parish.

Nowadays, I am involved in every ritual and effort at my present parish during Holy Week, and I will be gifting large chocolate bunnies to each of the adult volunteers who work on my liturgy committee to remove all the shrouds, on Holy Saturday, and decorate the entire Sanctuary with live lilies for Sunday.

Go figger . The profane and the sacred, both continued by the adult Murph. Life is complicated. SO, there ya are. Exactly.

[HONDO74]

2016 Easter Parade and Easter Bonnet Festival, New York City
http://corneliucazacu.com/portfolios/20 ... york-city/




5th Avenue Easter Parade, New York City, April 19, 1908

[rogruth]

If capitalism doesn't work, I wonder where she got the money for her costume?
Probably from some old rich guy who thinks he is improving the world.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

P.S. Let's continue any further discussion, if there were to be any, about cathedrals being burned, to the thread; What on Earth,please. I've already started its continuation there...

[MurphOnMillerAve]

2016 Easter Parade and Easter Bonnet Festival, New York City...

Ah yes, the parades and hat promenades. They are part of the frivolity, for sure.

Now, as far as that "Money Bunny" is concerned, I have no doubt about her ability to hop around and make money. If she named herself such, then, we can take her at her word.

Oh, and, "Capitalism isn't working." Well, as Roger referenced, she evidently has been, and is, and that ain't necessarily socialism.