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Re: Inauguration

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:50 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
robert. wrote:
Neil wrote:"Can you show the words from trumps speech. The words that say go to the capitol and cause a riot?"

That is not required to meet the legal requirement of "sedition" or inciting insurrection, as we are about to find out, when probably 50-55 senators, or perhaps more, vote to retroactively remove him from office, and if that happens, vote by simple majority that he can never hold office again. We will see, but encouraging insurrection (attempts to overthrow the government) is easily demonstrated from his actions, much less his words.

I see a trail by senate is not the same as a jury trail.


It's not a trail, but a trial, and the entire Senate is the jury. The process is well defined.


Except that the democrats on that jury have been compromised. Their minds are already made up as to how they will vote. Same for the republicans.

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Re: Inauguration

Postby robert. » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:22 pm

It’s with a biased jury . My guess would be several republicans in need of votes choose to impeach. Just to keep him from running own his own party. In 4 years he wont be able to win a primary but if he run own his own. He would take 20 + million votes from the republicans. That would leave the GOP without a chance. If there is something both parties can agree on. That is . A two party system fits their agenda.We are only pawns in their chess game.
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Re: Inauguration

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:47 pm

HONDO74 wrote:Except that the democrats on that jury have been compromised. Their minds are already made up as to how they will vote. Same for the republicans.


So it's just business as usual.
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Re: Inauguration

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:50 pm

robert. wrote:It’s with a biased jury . My guess would be several republicans in need of votes choose to impeach.


It's always biased -- that's standard. No guessing at all involved; not to impeach, but to convict.

Just to keep him from running own his own party. In 4 years he wont be able to win a primary but if he run own his own. He would take 20 + million votes from the republicans. That would leave the GOP without a chance. If there is something both parties can agree on. That is . A two party system fits their agenda.We are only pawns in their chess game.


Not quite; he will be barred from holding office regardless of party. He'll also lose his $1 million travel allowance, and handful of other perks
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Re: Inauguration

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:34 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
robert. wrote:It’s with a biased jury . My guess would be several republicans in need of votes choose to impeach.


It's always biased -- that's standard. No guessing at all involved; not to impeach, but to convict.

Just to keep him from running own his own party. In 4 years he wont be able to win a primary but if he run own his own. He would take 20 + million votes from the republicans. That would leave the GOP without a chance. If there is something both parties can agree on. That is . A two party system fits their agenda.We are only pawns in their chess game.


Not quite; he will be barred from holding office regardless of party. He'll also lose his $1 million travel allowance, and handful of other perks


We are headed for a one party system with the democrats in total control and the people will vote for that . Won't be much different from the way China, Russia and a few other countries operate with their dictators.

There are already democrats in congress proposing to send conservatives and Trump supporters to concentration camps to be reprogrammed to the way that they think. Like the Chinese are doing with the Uighur. Before they can do that they will have to disarm this country complete. Like Hitler did in Germany :wink:

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Re: Inauguration

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:38 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
robert. wrote:It’s with a biased jury . My guess would be several republicans in need of votes choose to impeach.


It's always biased -- that's standard. No guessing at all involved; not to impeach, but to convict.

Just to keep him from running own his own party. In 4 years he wont be able to win a primary but if he run own his own. He would take 20 + million votes from the republicans. That would leave the GOP without a chance. If there is something both parties can agree on. That is . A two party system fits their agenda.We are only pawns in their chess game.


Not quite; he will be barred from holding office regardless of party. He'll also lose his $1 million travel allowance, and handful of other perks


We are headed for a one party system with the democrats in total control and the people will vote for that . Won't be much different from the way China, Russia and a few other countries operate with their dictators.

There are already democrats in congress proposing to send conservatives and Trump supporters to concentration camps to be reprogrammed to the way that they think. Like the Chinese are doing with the Uighur. Before they can do that they will have to disarm this country complete. Like Hitler did in Germany :wink:


Hilarious. I'm betting my investments in aluminum are soaring.

I had the same thought about Republicans ~16 years ago. Hawley revives that thought regularly.
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Re: Inauguration

Postby chuck » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:47 pm

He'll also lose his $1 million travel allowance, and handful of other perks


I'm pretty sure he loses all of his perks. Same as if he had been removed BEFORE his term expired. The ban on running again (which is the primary focus) is a separate vote and only requires a simple majority if he is convicted.

The insurrection was self documented (big mistake, to all would be criminals, leave your cell phones home or at least turn them off) and the sheeple caught are claiming "he told me to do it" while the wolves are being identified from all of the inane social media posts by the sheeple. Another tip, don't try to hide amongst people with camera phones taking picture of everything going on. You will stand out like a sore thumb and be easily identified. You can't make this stuff up.

BTW, some of the "base" is already eroding. They have lost faith in his "pronouncements" and therefore in him. The fabric of their unreality is starting to unravel and they are starting to drop him like a hot potato. A number of news outlets interviewed the supporters. Most turned away when asked what would they do if they found out he had lied to them. The ones that did said flat out they would never forgive him or vote for him again.

This was a cult. It was made up of people that believed in their leader just like all of the rest of the cults did. When that faith is shattered it's impossible to rekindle. Irregardless of what happens in the senate the EX is going to be spending most of his time over the next few years in courtrooms trying to stay out of prison and/or ducking massive fines.
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Re: Inauguration

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:57 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
Hilarious. I'm betting my investments in aluminum are soaring.



Do you actually have any investments in aluminum ??

Right now you could make a lot more in brass & lead.

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Re: Inauguration

Postby Neil » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:30 pm

" Won't be much different from the way China, Russia and a few other countries operate with their dictators.

There are already democrats in congress proposing to send conservatives and Trump supporters to concentration camps to be reprogrammed to the way that they think. Like the Chinese are doing with the Uighur. Before they can do that they will have to disarm this country complete. Like Hitler did in Germany :wink:"

Do you really believe this total nonsense or are you just trolling? We already have Greg to replace Pat Fusco, so your trolling is pretty much superfluous. Unless you are serious, in which case, you've got serious reality testing problems.

No one in the Democratic party would waste money on re-educating QAnon believers, unreconstructed Trump fascists, etc. We have better uses for the money, such as housing, education, health care and infrastructure. And a little medical research to deal with suffering and premature death.

The totalitarians in our society who are worried that women might be free to do what they like with their bodies, or that people who smoke grass instead of getting stoned on cheap wine might have fun are all Republicans with a few exceptions. Republicans are only interested in freedom to own weapons of mass destruction and allow the unworthy poor to starve and be homeless. That's what they learned from Bible classes apparently :). Jesus the right wing entrepreneur and Ayn Rand disciple.
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Re: Inauguration

Postby gregj410 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:41 pm

I'm pretty sure

We hear this a lot around here from the so called experts


A number of news outlets interviewed the supporters. Most turned away when asked what would they do if they found out he had lied to them. The ones that did said flat out they would never forgive him or vote for him again.


What do you think they would say when you have the likes of Katie Couric and other news media suggesting they need to be re programmed.

This was a cult.

Waco was a cult.

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Re: Inauguration

Postby Neil » Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 pm

Katie Couric? Seriously? Who cares?

There are Republican officials calling for a second civil war. Anyone who wants to die for Donald Trump and his fascist fantasies of the Fourth Reich or the QAnon tooth fairy theories will certainly be obliged by the FBI, police and National Guard, but there's no need. You have a constitutional right to believe in the tooth fairy or Jesus the Ayn Rand disciple or other deranged ideas. No need to die for them unless you feel it's required that the rest of us live in your brain addled crazyland, or else. Then perhaps you're gonna die for your beliefs. But no one, least of all Joe Biden, is going to insist you get an abortion if you don't want one, become transgender or marry a sheep, etc. But you don't get to choose not to have neighbors of color, control the reproductive habits of others, tell others which mind bending addictive substances they can use, or use the economic system to deprive others of housing, food, voting rights, etc. It's a free country for those you don't like too :).
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Re: Inauguration

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:22 pm

Neil wrote:It's a free country for those you don't like too :).


What a concept; what a great country.
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Re: Inauguration

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:48 pm

Neil wrote: But no one, least of all Joe Biden, is going to insist you get an abortion if you don't want one, become transgender or marry a sheep, etc. But you don't get to choose not to have neighbors of color, control the reproductive habits of others, tell others which mind bending addictive substances they can use, or use the economic system to deprive others of housing, food, voting rights, etc. It's a free country for those you don't like too :).



Joe Biden’s First Day Began the End of Girls’ Sports
An executive order rigs competition by requiring that biological boys be allowed to compete against girls.

Amid Inauguration Day talk of shattered glass ceilings, on Wednesday President Biden delivered a body blow to the rights of women and girls: the Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation. On day one, Mr. Biden placed all girls’ sports and women’s safe spaces in the crosshairs of the administrative state.

The Biden executive order is far more ambitious. Any school that receives federal funding—including nearly every public high school—must either allow biological boys who self-identify as girls onto girls’ sports teams or face administrative action from the Education Department. If this policy were to be broadly adopted in anticipation of the regulations that are no doubt on the way, what would this mean for girls’ and women’s sports?

“Finished. Done,” Olympic track-and-field coach Linda Bladesaid. “The leadership skills, all the benefits society gets from letting girls have their protected category so that competition can be fair, all the advances of women’s rights—that’s going to be diminished.”

Dr. Rachel McKinnon, from Victoria, B.C., finished first in the women's 35-44 age bracket in Los Angeles McKinnon was born biologically male.

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Re: Inauguration

Postby Neil » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:51 pm

Ah yes the hordes of transgender athletes will end women’s sports. Total nonsense.
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Re: Inauguration

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:40 pm

Neil wrote:Ah yes the hordes of transgender athletes will end women’s sports. Total nonsense.


Funny. The same folks railing against transgender athletes with this sort of silliness have done all they could to obstruct all women's sports. Drop it into the bucket with the rest of their hatred of everyone not like themselves.
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