The invasion of Europe

[HONDO74]

The title of this thread is "The invasion of Europe" and its back in the news again.

Italy’s Salvini claims ‘victory’ over migrant ship refusal as Spain accepts vessel
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/italy-r ... malta.html
Spain has agreed to let a ship carrying over 600 migrants to dock in Valencia.
Italy had previously refused to let the vessel dock at any of its ports.
Rome had then demanded that the Mediterranean island of Malta accept the vessel instead. It refused, prompting a diplomatic rift.

Merkel's government frays as migrant row festers in Germany
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-euro ... SKBN1JB0YO

Middelberg said the vast majority of CDU politicians backed Merkel in wanting to find a European solution to the migration issue in the two weeks ahead of a June 28-29 EU summit. But the CSU does not want to wait and is urging Germany to take unilateral action.

Bavaria was on the frontline of a migration crisis in 2015, when an “open door” policy adopted by Merkel led to around a million refugees flooding into Germany.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

It doesn't sound like potential host countries feel they would be getting much benefit from accepting such immigrants. If that is so, what do you suppose they would be basing that evaluation on?

[Tom Dempsey]

Ignorance, xenophobia and pique.

[HONDO74]

It doesn't sound like potential host countries feel they would be getting much benefit from accepting such immigrants. If that is so, what do you suppose they would be basing that evaluation on?

These people are not immigrants they are migrants and they are coming from $hithole African countries. They have been lied to by the smugglers telling them they will have a wonderful life in Europe and it will all be free. The smugglers put these people in boats that they know won't make it across the Mediterranean in hopes they will be picked up by the European organization to save them. Otherwise they all die. Thousands have already died.

They are leaving through Libya. This did not happen when Gaddafi controlled the country. Many of these people are being made slaves of by the Muslims.

Have you noticed that none of the middle eat Muslim countries will take in any of these people......

[HONDO74]

Ignorance, xenophobia and pique.

Call it what you want to but Greece and Italy have already taken in thousands of these people and these countries are bankrupt. They don't have the jobs for their own people.

This was all created by Angela Merkel with the EU and their open border policy.

At what point do you totally saturate your own country and culture with others.

This is not the 1700s when there were less than a billion people on this planet. There are now approximately 10 billion people.

And Russia is not going to take in any migrants. They are going to sit on the sidelines and watch Europe destroy itself.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Ignorance, xenophobia and pique.

Then what can be done to help? Do you have anything positive or productive to suggest? I'd love to hear it if you do have something substantive to contribute to such a conversation as this one. Truly.

If you were standing at the shore when several of such boats came ashore, what could or would you do to help? Just wave your closed-fist at whatever European country your were standing in and shout, "Xenophobes! Ignoramuses! Piqued ones!"

[Tom Dempsey]

Well Murph, now that you're done attacking me. My point is they're not all rapists and murderers, most are just folks trying to make a better life for themselves and their kids. Kind of like your antecedents did for you. I don't have all the answers in the universe, I just study history and know that the same answers that the early twentieth century European fascists had didn't work out so well, for anybody. Should we invade any country and try to fix it, well, that hasn't worked out so well for those countries or ours now has it. I just suggest that everyone cool down and treat these unfortunates like you would want to be treated if you were walking in their shoes.

[Tom Dempsey]

If you were standing at the shore when several of such boats came ashore, what could or would you do to help? Just wave your closed-fist at whatever European country your were standing in and shout, "Xenophobes! Ignoramuses! Piqued ones!"

I stood on a steel deck in the Tonkin Gulf more than once in the late seventies and watch people destroy their boats rather than return to the mainland. I didn't think we should have let them drown then, I still don't. Perhaps you've spent a good life closeted in your lifestyle but those of us who have been on the front lines at time protecting your privileged lifestyle should be allowed a viewpoint too. And I'm getting tired of you turning battlecat with me whenever Roy isn't around to pick a fight with. Maybe you ought to just take a long look in the mirror dude! As the kids say, Peace Out.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

What can be done to help? ("Somehow," you managed to avoid addressing that critical question.)
That is, do you have anything positive to say? Constructive?

[Mitch]

These illegals have got to know what's happening here in the US. That caravan from as far as the Central American area were being supported and egged on by American organizations just to prove a point that we should have open borders. Then when they get turned back, the left is terribly upset. But I think that a lot of them just want to get their kids into the US. It seems funny now that the current administration is enforcing the laws that were previously written and passed by the 'Crats, it's totally wrong.
How many of you remember the Ilian Gonzolez case from Cuba. His mother died escaping with him from Cuba and an abusive father. Janet Reno was the Attorney General. His father wanted him back, there were court hearings, and immigration officers arrived at his aunt's home, pointed MP5 sub-machine guns at them, and removed him forcibly. He was sent back to Cuba. So much for the "if you make it to our shores, you get asylum.

[up148]

Maybe they should all be invited to Toms. He's about the only one I know that doesn't see the problem. Their not immigrants, their not migrants, they'er invaders and need to go back to where they came from and change that location, rather than make their existence someone else's problem. Very tired of this liberal bleeding heart BS that's been going on for decades. Politically correct is a bunch of bunk. Life's tough, sorry you were not born in a nicer country. We have the Mexican border to deal with and Europe has this BS. All were doing is reducing 1st and 2nd world countries into the 3rd world countries because of these people. They don't improve the countries they go to only take.

Now, send me h*ll for my feelings, but I'm tired of being politically correct and responsible for the world.

BH

[Tom Dempsey]

I have seen the problem, up close and personal. I've been around the world a few times. This country is great enough already, most of the rest of the world sucks dreadfully by comparison. I just find a lot of what you guys post here, how did Murph put it, oh yeah, histrionics.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Yet, most of the conversations here are worthwhile and interesting. The world is a complicated place, and it is good to hear varying viewpoints about it, IMO.

P.S. "You guys" ? I thought you were one of us, Tom.

[Tom Dempsey]

I am Murph, and my constructive project regards the subject is to try to get my fellow MTJ denizens to see the error of their ways. Go ahead guys, take aim.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I am Murph, and my constructive project regards the subject is to try to get my fellow MTJ denizens to see the error of their ways. …..

Yeah, Tom, but are we the topic, or is the title of the thread indicating what should be our focus?

I'd still like to hear some solid, constructive ideas for solving or helping the situation suggested by HONDO, especially as regards "invaders" vs. "migrants." Is what is happening to Europe happening to the USA, too? (See Mitch's comments, just above.) Perhaps, there are no answers, and I have my answer to the original question right there, huh.
Murph