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Re: Northern weather

Postby robert. » Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:41 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
healey36 wrote:
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Yes, that's another issue -- generally based in the insecurities of those middle-managers and executives. A lot of the Gov't went to working at home more than a decade ago -- more productive there. Maybe those middle-managers and executives need to figure out whether they are actually needed or are just excess.

It cuts both ways, at least in the commercial world. The managers are trying to hit deadlines and, unless they're truly good managers, it can be difficult dealing with remote resources. There have to be rules, and that seems to be where the problems lie. Nothing more frustrating than trying to track someone down fifty miles away. Communication is a problem, at least that's what I'm told by folks still doing the grind.


Never had that problem - managers that can't deal with remote resources probably should be looking for a new job.....maybe waiting tables and working for tips would be good....

The other side is the inane presumption by some managers that folks are available 24x7. I think I read a study recently that said folks working from home were piling up 60-70 hour work-weeks. Personally, I find that hard to believe, but knowing some of the anal-retentive managers I had over the years, might not be a stretch. Of course, I was working 60-70 hour work-weeks in the office :lol:


I'd find that hard to believe as well. Remote work contracts were pretty tightly defined on hours and metrics to meet.

Then again, I was doing 10-12 hours/7/52 at the office and then another 5-6 hours/7/52 at home for a few decades, but then again, in my career path that's what you did to keep your head above water and sharks from biting. I don't recommend that insane career path to young people.

Try to explain that to a group of school teachers. They think that they are the only people that work extra hours from home. I’m not sure if it will help or hurt. The Psea(teachers union) does not like me. Funny thing is i told them i would support the hiring of more teachers along with all-day kindergarten. I also mentioned removing the requirement of having a master’s degree ( they don’t like that)
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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:05 pm

robert. wrote: Try to explain that to a group of school teachers. They think that they are the only people that work extra hours from home. I’m not sure if it will help or hurt. The Psea(teachers union) does not like me. Funny thing is i told them i would support the hiring of more teachers along with all-day kindergarten. I also mentioned removing the requirement of having a master’s degree ( they don’t like that)


Boo-hoo.....

When I was graduating from college the people getting teacher's certificates and degrees were the ones that suddenly realized in their junior year that they might not graduate and would not have jobs. So they shifted to become teachers. They were the dregs that could not cut it getting a degree in anything else.

Let them try my career path and see if they get past the 1st 4 years.....the publish or perish research track is dog eat dog cut throat 24/7/365 unlike what most think. It isn't patches on the elbow jackets and school ties drinking tea with the Dean on Fri afternoon. It's blood on the floor defending that square foot of space someone tried to take from you.

Master's degree in teaching was one that I thought a complete waste of time and one generally pursued by lousy teachers looking to become administrators and politicians. It's also one that that they use trying to intimidate parents....been there, done that scene, and got the t-shirts.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby robert. » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:02 pm

Basically agree with you. In central Bucks teachers start at $47,000 plus full bennies. They max out with a masters @ $117,000 plus full bennies and a guaranteed pension. A good friend of mine left CVS this year. He wants that guaranteed pension. He hit the max with CVS and they pushed him out. Now he is teaching organic chemistry. Starting @ 54,000 a year. He gets a little more in his starting salary than most. He is acting substitute school nurse.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby E7 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:13 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Then again, I was doing 10-12 hours/7/52 at the office and then another 5-6 hours/7/52 at home for a few decades, but then again, in my career path that's what you did to keep your head above water and sharks from biting. I don't recommend that insane career path to young people.


That kind of dedication might have served you better had you been in business for yourself, but then it is nice to get the regular pension check in the mail. The ideal gig would be to end up not needing that check, because regardless of the source, it's no sure thing.

I'd like a gig like Freddy Dodge, but my next one might be shoveling hot coals! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Northern weather

Postby robert. » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:07 pm

In other news. Sure was a nice day outside. Acorns are starting to drop.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby healey36 » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:18 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Then again, I was doing 10-12 hours/7/52 at the office and then another 5-6 hours/7/52 at home for a few decades, but then again, in my career path that's what you did to keep your head above water and sharks from biting. I don't recommend that insane career path to young people.

I'm reasonably sure no one was holding a gun to the back of your head, forcing you to pursue that line of work. If it was so oppressive, you should have bailed. We all make choices, chasing something for whatever reason. All I'm saying is the nature of work is changing. The changes began in the blue collar sector thirty-to-forty years ago, and now it's rolling up on the white collar/service sector over the past ten. I don't see it as a recipe for success, either personally or for the company. Maybe if you lower expectations far enough, the new model will work. But I'm a dinosaur, so what do I know?

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Re: Northern weather

Postby HONDO74 » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:34 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:[

Then again, I was doing 10-12 hours/7/52 at the office and then another 5-6 hours/7/52 at home for a few decades, but then again, in my career path that's what you did to keep your head above water and sharks from biting. I don't recommend that insane career path to young people.


How the heck did you find time to play with trains let alone build any models and have any kind of a family life :?:

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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:04 am

HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:[

Then again, I was doing 10-12 hours/7/52 at the office and then another 5-6 hours/7/52 at home for a few decades, but then again, in my career path that's what you did to keep your head above water and sharks from biting. I don't recommend that insane career path to young people.


How the heck did you find time to play with trains let alone build any models and have any kind of a family life :?:


I didn't.

I didn't have time for very much until well after getting tenure (just a checked box that BTW carries nothing in the way of actual security) and then surviving another 2 four year review cycles.

Also, sleep was a luxury.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby robert. » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:36 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:[

Then again, I was doing 10-12 hours/7/52 at the office and then another 5-6 hours/7/52 at home for a few decades, but then again, in my career path that's what you did to keep your head above water and sharks from biting. I don't recommend that insane career path to young people.


How the heck did you find time to play with trains let alone build any models and have any kind of a family life :?:


I didn't.

I didn't have time for very much until well after getting tenure (just a checked box that BTW carries nothing in the way of actual security) and then surviving another 2 four year review cycles.

Also, sleep was a luxury.

This has become a way of life for many. I did a 3 day road trip this week. From Doylestown to Newark NY. over to Salem MA. Almost 14 hour days and 1,200 miles. The average working person in this country does more than 40 hours. Then throw a commute to work. Chasing that mighty dollar takes its toll. As a whole we need to slow down.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:49 am

robert. wrote:As a whole we need to slow down.


Good luck with that - quick path to failure and firing.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby robert. » Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:22 pm

Everybody needs to slow down. From the top down. We shouldn’t live to work. It’s not healthy.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:39 pm

robert. wrote:Everybody needs to slow down. From the top down. We shouldn’t live to work. It’s not healthy.


Good luck with that - you'll never get "everybody". And once one doesn't all the rest won't.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby robert. » Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:52 pm

We need a cultural change. I’m not pushing for people to be lazy. I’m trying to get people to spend less time working. I’m guilty of 60-70 hour work weeks with 10-20 hours on non billable hours. I’m finding it’s time to slowdown.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby MartyE » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:21 pm

robert. wrote:We need a cultural change. I’m not pushing for people to be lazy. I’m trying to get people to spend less time working. I’m guilty of 60-70 hour work weeks with 10-20 hours on non billable hours. I’m finding it’s time to slowdown.


I’ve started doing this a few years back when I realized that everyone expected 60 hours out of me instead of asking. I try to keep it under 50 but will stay if I feel I need to. No more weekends either.

Poor planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
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Re: Northern weather

Postby gregj410 » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:27 pm

robert. wrote:Everybody needs to slow down. From the top down. We shouldn’t live to work. It’s not healthy.


That’s not a one size fits all statement. When your young that’s all you should do especially young men. Less time to get into trouble, more time finding and making your way in the corporate world.

If you have a family maybe not such a good idea.

I find it rather appalling that the govt and many private institutions incentivize people to stay home. They get leave for everything and anything nowadays. What ever happen to the don’t work don’t eat principle?


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