Coronavirus:

[robert.]

Well scratch my back with a hacksaw. We got a barn burner here.

[gregj410]

If this had been a deadly chemical (like Bhopal) or a radioactive incident (Cherynoble) would everyone be behaving as badly?

That’s just it. It ain’t Chernoble! How deadly is it really? It’s not like you go out in public and your stepping over the bodies. I know, I know say that to the 250K’s family members that died. I get it.

What if this thread was the influenza virus? There would be talk about who died and why and who is vulnerable blah blah blah. We lost X number this year and expected to lose X number next year. There would likely be talk of those who died from the flu because they had this condition or that condition. Why aren’t we talking about the stats of people that died from the flu, sars, Zeka, H1N1, swine flu? Aren’t those deaths equally as tragic? That’s just it, there’s all kinds of risk in life and I’ll probably be the one that dies from Covid if I get it So be it...in the mean time I’m gonna live in the freedom God granted me and do my best to protect others out of my own free will not the governments.
BTW. Mortality is a thing and though I’m not ready to die yet, to every person death is appointed once. Hopefully later than sooner. In the mean time if anyone here needs wise counsel on spiritual things they can always consult Father Neil

[chuck]

It’s not like you go out in public and your stepping over the bodies.

Not yet. But we are seeing temporary morgues (refrigerated trailers/cargo containers) set up in many communities where the disease is running rampant. When was the last time we saw a flu where 250,000 died in 9 months. We are on track for 350-400K by January and 500K+ around the 1 year anniversary of the US outbreak.

Most of those other diseases are either not as contagious or not as deadly. This packs a 1:2 punch. The only reason people are not dropping like flies is because it isn't as immediately lethal/untreatable as say Ebola. The latter is too efficient in killing off the host which is why it's not as "successful". In addition you actually have to work at it to catch it, like keeping a dead body in your house for a couple of days as part of the mourning process. They outbreaks in Africa could have been easily contained if the population actually followed their public health guidance on this. I guess we aren't the only country with large numbers of obstinate/crazy people.

If we (global we) masked up, did social distancing, avoided congregating in groups above 5-10 and actually washed our hands properly we could do something like 90% of our normal activities. If anybody had actually upgraded their HVAC systems over the last 50 years we could edge the number up even higher, 95%-98%. There is actually data to support this. A gym in Michigan upgraded its air handling and proved to the state inspectors that they were in compliance with the underlying science and were allowed to re-open. There are states where the contact tracing people noted that the spread was statically significantly lower in communities where people followed those four simple guidelines than the communities where they ignored them.

If we don't get this under control very, very, very quickly you may very well be tripping over bodies in the streets. The health care system is under extreme duress and could collapse under the weight of infected people. This isn't like New York/Boston/Newark/Detroit last spring. In those cases they were able to shift workers/equipment around from other parts of the country. It's now almost everywhere and there aren't any spare beds/health workers/gear to move patients around and effectively treat them.

What's really maddening is there is light at the end of the tunnel and it isn't an oncoming train. Vaccines will be widely available in three to six months. Effective treatments are being developed (they aren't self administered so you need a clinical setting to use them). There is some irony to the adage of "will it really kill you to wear a mask?" which should be stated that "It really may kill you if you don't!". I always liked the church sign warning "better to stay six feet apart than wind up six feet under".

[Rufus T. Firefly]

It’s not like you go out in public and your stepping over the bodies.

As of last night there is a person dying every minute from this virus. Death rate across the country is up 50%.

Not yet. But we are seeing temporary morgues (refrigerated trailers/cargo containers) set up in many communities where the disease is running rampant. When was the last time we saw a flu where 250,000 died in 9 months. We are on track for 350-400K by January and 500K+ around the 1 year anniversary of the US outbreak.

If we are lucky and just maybe more people take precautions, take care of themselves, take responsibility for their actions.

If we (global we) masked up, did social distancing, avoided congregating in groups above 5-10 and actually washed our hands properly we could do something like 90% of our normal activities. If anybody had actually upgraded their HVAC systems over the last 50 years we could edge the number up even higher, 95%-98%. There is actually data to support this. A gym in Michigan upgraded its air handling and proved to the state inspectors that they were in compliance with the underlying science and were allowed to re-open. There are states where the contact tracing people noted that the spread was statically significantly lower in communities where people followed those four simple guidelines than the communities where they ignored them.

Yes, those basic precautions actually work. It's not like we have not known for many decades that basic hygiene and basic precautions like masks can interdict transmission of pathogens and diseases.

If we don't get this under control very, very, very quickly you may very well be tripping over bodies in the streets. The health care system is under extreme duress and could collapse under the weight of infected people. This isn't like New York/Boston/Newark/Detroit last spring. In those cases they were able to shift workers/equipment around from other parts of the country. It's now almost everywhere and there aren't any spare beds/health workers/gear to move patients around and effectively treat them.

It's entirely possible that we are too late.

What's really maddening is there is light at the end of the tunnel and it isn't an oncoming train. Vaccines will be widely available in three to six months. Effective treatments are being developed (they aren't self administered so you need a clinical setting to use them). There is some irony to the adage of "will it really kill you to wear a mask?" which should be stated that "It really may kill you if you don't!". I always liked the church sign warning "better to stay six feet apart than wind up six feet under".

Hope springs eternal.

[gregj410]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... UJTxVL1l64

Covid camps?
While I admittedly didn’t read the whole article, I read enough. I won’t call this communism as we’ve been informed by certain members on this forum that we don’t really know what communism is. You decide for yourself.

[rogruth]

I don't think that is communism but it is similar to what was done to/with Japanese-Americans in the 1940s.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I don't think that is communism but it is similar to what was done to/with Japanese-Americans in the 1940s.

Yeah, the two don't have anything to do with each other, nor when German-Americans were also in camps during WW1. Classic connect 2 unrelated topics for misdirection and disinformation. They also have nothing to do with Covid-19. More misdirection......

[Neil]

The article isn't about setting up camps, it's about protecting people already in camps (refugees, prisons, etc.). And it's the Trump administration that set up these camps, not the incoming Biden administration .

[gregj410]

The article isn't about setting up camps, it's about protecting people already in camps (refugees, prisons, etc.). And it's the Trump administration that set up these camps, not the incoming Biden administration .

Actually it was your Lord And Savior that caged kids.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Huh? Wha' ?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Huh? Wha' ?

Exactly. We've flown off into a storm of irrationality.

[HONDO74]

Huh? Wha' ?

AP FACT CHECK: 2014 photo wrongly used to hit Trump policies
https://apnews.com/article/a98f26f7c942 ... 7ea1acd4d4

WHO was the president in 2014. it was OBAMA

FILE - In this June 18, 2014 file photo, two female detainees sleep in a holding cell, as the children are separated by age group and gender, as hundreds of mostly Central American immigrant children are being processed and held at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Nogales Placement Center in Nogales, Ariz.

[Neil]

The children weren’t separated from their parents permanently or sent back across the border to live in camps in Mexico with no sanitation, minimal food and no medical care.

[HONDO74]

The children weren’t separated from their parents permanently or sent back across the border to live in camps in Mexico with no sanitation, minimal food and no medical care.

The pictures are just another example of how you lying fking democrats blamed everything on Trump

[Neil]

Because he is indeed a callous and cruel monster.

Oh, and I forgot the Orangetang has never told a lie. Best Prez since George Washington!

Talk about f'ing liars . Get your facts straight Hondo.