Tractor Thread

[webenda]

Including and in particular human waste. I have that info from a pretty good source.

Murph,

You can tell your "pretty good source" he/she is full of ****.

Here is what the National Park Service has to say on that subject:

There are very few (toilets in the canyon.) Not all campsites have toilet facilities. Be prepared to provide your own toilet paper. Where toilets are available, you must use them. Only human waste and toilet paper should be deposited in the toilets. Where toilets are not available you must carry out your used toilet paper (a plastic ziplock bag works well) and bury feces in a small hole about 6 in / 15 cm deep. Be sure you are at least 200 ft / 60 m from trails, campsites, and water sources. Along the Colorado River, urinate directly into the wet sand at the river's edge.

http://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/h ... UMP_100018

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Including and in particular human waste. I have that info from a pretty good source.

Murph,

You can tell your "pretty good source" he/she is full of ****.

Here is what the National Park Service has to say on that subject:

There are very few (toilets in the canyon.) Not all campsites have toilet facilities. Be prepared to provide your own toilet paper. Where toilets are available, you must use them. Only human waste and toilet paper should be deposited in the toilets. Where toilets are not available you must carry out your used toilet paper (a plastic ziplock bag works well) and bury feces in a small hole about 6 in / 15 cm deep. Be sure you are at least 200 ft / 60 m from trails, campsites, and water sources. Along the Colorado River, urinate directly into the wet sand at the river's edge.

http://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/h ... UMP_100018

Wow, that's even better than what I had heard. I'll inform my source. He may be relieved.
Murph

[rogruth]

Including and in particular human waste. I have that info from a pretty good source.

Murph,

You can tell your "pretty good source" he/she is full of ****.

Here is what the National Park Service has to say on that subject:

There are very few (toilets in the canyon.) Not all campsites have toilet facilities. Be prepared to provide your own toilet paper. Where toilets are available, you must use them. Only human waste and toilet paper should be deposited in the toilets. Where toilets are not available you must carry out your used toilet paper (a plastic ziplock bag works well) and bury feces in a small hole about 6 in / 15 cm deep. Be sure you are at least 200 ft / 60 m from trails, campsites, and water sources. Along the Colorado River, urinate directly into the wet sand at the river's edge.

http://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/h ... UMP_100018

Wow, that's even better than what I had heard. I'll inform my source. He may be relieved.
Murph

Murph,
That last sentence is appropriate.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

At this point dear audience, we leave you now for that opportunity to answer that call of Nature, for as you know, when Nature calls, you have to pick up the phone and say "Hello, I got your message. I've got a package for you."

[sarge]

Your source hasn't thought through the logic; you're only leaving behind what any healthy animal leaves behind.

NPS is actually pretty level-headed about that "rule" when you think about it just a tiny bit. Grin!

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Well, it has turned out too late to inform him of the facts Doc Wayne found. My "source" has already been on a hike to the bottom of the canyon and back, bringing the entire experience back with him, a victim of an over zealous hike leader it would appear. Well, he's none the worse for the wear, apparently, and did his duty in helping keep America litter-free.

[healey36]

...craziest tractor-thread ever!

"and did his 'duty' in helping keep America litter-free."...dooty...hahaha...

[rogruth]

...craziest tractor-thread ever!

"and did his 'duty' in helping keep America litter-free."...dooty...hahaha...

This is MTJ and most of us are having fun.

[The Dirt]

The plane descent into Vegas sucked. They called it 'turbulence' though the weather was beautiful, and the plane was pitching and rising, rolling left and right 20 degrees, shaking and yawing, and several people had to avail themselves of their barf bags. It was unpleasant in the extreme, and I wouldn't have thought a jet that large could be thrown around like that without breaking a wing or throwing an engine, and it seemed that pilot was revving and throttling down for all he was worth, to compensate. I'm taking a f*cking bus home.

The drive north from Vegas was stunning. Having only lived in NJ and PA, and only traveling up and down the east coast, I was completely unprepared for the sheer size and magnitude and desolation of this part of the American west. But for the short scrubby brush, the only thing I have seen, to compare, is Mars, as seen through any of he rovers, rock and sand and gully and hill and scree. Up Rt. 15, the road went through a narrow canyon, as yet unknown to me by name, so steep and sheer and magnificent that we were all dumbstruck. I had absolutely no frame of reference in my 66 years that might have prepared me for this, hence my theft of the quote by Samuel Morse, because I had no words that sufficed, in my vocabulary, and I'm rarely at a loss for words.

And then today, we spent the entire day in Zion Canyon, which thoroughly and utterly dwarfed the first one. I was stunned anew. Cut through a plateau by the Virgin River, it had thousand foot walls of layered sedimentary rock laid down by some prehistoric ocean that even God would have to stop to remember, rock seemingly from the very basements of time and Earth itself, surely prior to any gleam in God's eye to consider putting Life on his planet. It puts mankind's greatest cathedrals and prideful buildings and monuments to utter shame and embarassment, and it took no imagination whatsoever to grok why Native Americans called this Holy Ground. Pictures are wholly inadequate, which stopped me not at all from taking hundreds. Never in my entire life have I felt so pitifully small and insignificant. Call me a rube, but I spent the entirety of the day awestruck, this canyon so huge and impossibly beautiful that to look up at its walls left me feeling dizzy, disoriented.

Tomorrow, Bryce Canyon, and hoodoos, and another day of vertigo.

Wouldn't miss it for the world.

[webenda]

Pete,

I have lived in the southwest all my life and visited all the national parks here, some more than once. They are awesome alright, but I have never heard them described as awesomely as you just did. Can't wait for your next verbal treat.

Taking off and landing in desert cities is often bumpy, more so in the summer. The pilot usually knows ahead of time and puts on the seat belt lights so passengers can stay in their seats and not fly around inside the airplane. It can be interesting if you are a first time flyer.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Taking off and landing in desert cities is often bumpy, more so in the summer. The pilot usually knows ahead of time and puts on the seat belt lights so passengers can stay in their seats and not fly around inside the airplane. It can be interesting if you are a first time flyer.

I've noticed almost all of my recent flights to surprisingly rough on landings regardless of locations of late....but flying into DC to National is always an adventure.....

[webenda]

Many pilots report the required "River Visual" approach at Reagan International as one of the more interesting in the United States. I don't know if they mean "fun" or "scary."

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Many pilots report the required "River Visual" approach at Reagan International as one of the more interesting in the United States. I don't know if they mean "fun" or "scary."

I think the answer is "yes" regardless of from which direction the approach is made into that airport.

[healey36]

Many years ago when I was working for Pfizer I had to make a once-per-week pilgrimage to NYC, flying the Pan Am Shuttle from National to La Guardia and back. National and its noise-abatement follow-the-river scheme is modestly entertaining compared to dropping a 727 onto the carrier flight-deck that is La Guardia. More than once I thought we were going into the drink for sure. Sometimes when they threw in the thrust-reverse neither your back or behind was touching the seat, just the lap-belt and your hands bracing on the seat-back in front of you. Eventually I switched to Amtrak...a far longer ordeal in duration, but somehow it seemed safer in the long-run. And, of course, on the Metroliners there was the MetroClub car and the gentlemen that took care of you.

Healey

[Mitch]

Tuesday nite was our last rain, and I had 3 different problem cars that I brought home to do drive cycles on them the next days for the emission test, so I'd been driving up to Slatelick the back way in a different car each morning. Lo and behold, Thursday I noticed that nearly every hayfield had been mowed and raked, and by Friday, most of those fields had all the hay rolled up. But I don't think the farmers are gonna get a second cutting as it may be too late in the season. 1st cutting should have been early June, not mid-July. The 3 day window was a blessing to them, but the forecast for tonite is.......wait for it, RAIN!!