Coronavirus:

[chuck]

Hawaii has had a strict lockdown policy in place pretty much since this started. You fly in for a visit, you have to spend 14 days in isolation at your hotel or resort. If you break the rule they call the cops. They being hotel employees, shop owners, restaurant employees, cab drivers, .. and then you get arrested and then spend time in quarantine in jail.

Here you go, real all about it:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-19/-don-t-come-hawaii-mothballs-17-8-billion-tourist-industry

[robert.]

It would be less of a hassle to stop inbound flights

[Rufus T. Firefly]

It would be less of a hassle to stop inbound flights

And cruise ships!

[chuck]

It would be less of a hassle to stop inbound flights

I don't think they can.

[robert.]

Lockout air traffic control.

[chuck]

Lockout air traffic control.

Pretty sure this is under federal jurisdiction. FAA, aka the Federal Aviation Administration.

[robert.]

Let the closed courts settle it. I'm just throwing sheet into the wind. With full refunds on Hawaii vacations. Why would you go? Spend the whole time locked up. Not fun to me.

[HONDO74]

80% of Hawaii's economy depends on tourism. Right now they are up that proverbial creek without a paddle.

Same thing for New Zealand,

Venice Italy wanted to restrict the cruise ships that brought thousands to the city. They got it now and business are sinking and not because of high water

[E7]

Curious how many people go for more than 14 days.....and who would go there knowing those terms?

Per CBS News: The average American worker is entitled to 16 days of paid leave. But the length of the average vacation lasts just over four days!

Only 25 percent of workers say they take all the time off that's due them (Glassdoor Employee Satisfaction Survey). In fact, 15 percent of Americans report taking NO time off.

[chuck]

Why would you go? Spend the whole time locked up. Not fun to me.

Kind of a two part question. Why go? To literally get away from it all. The airlines and travel industry have been pretty up front about the quarantine issues. People are still trying to go figuring they will game the system. What they are not taking into account is how serious the locals take their responsibilities. This isn't a case of one or two tattle tales turning people in. It's literally everyone that has tried to get this across to the dumb *'ssed visitors that have show up in spite of all the warnings.

Spend the whole time locked up. Not fun to me

If you want to come, fine, just make sure it's for say three weeks. Two in quarantine and one getting out and observing social distancing and mask wearing in one of the most beautiful places on the planet.

80% of Hawaii's economy depends on tourism. Right now they are up that proverbial creek without a paddle.

Yes, they know they are up the creek without a paddle. They really don't like/want this. They also don't want to die or see their paradise turn into a living/dying hell.

They actually get it. If they didn't, you would not have the general population participating in the enforcement of the guidelines.

[robert.]

I just had 75 days off. Give or take a few. Changed a lot of things for me. I lived to work. Now i'm going to work to live. Still have not received a Pa unemployment check. went through some savings but i did not blow through it. Grocery store still has frozen Easter hams. you can get a 14lbs ham for $13.76. 99 cents a pound. Nobody wants. remember Forest Gumps friend Buba talking about cooking schrimp ? Well that's me with ham. I don't love. it was cheap. I cooked it every witch but sideways.

[robert.]

A retired friend/coworker lives in Florida and summers in Canada. When he entered Canada this year. They told him "14 days stay quarantined. We catch you out. It's over" You'll be sent home. Your wife/girlfriend will be arrested (lise is a canadian citizen) They both hunkered down in their Quebec house. For 14 days the neighbors brought them stuff. That was around march 15. Last week Sheldon needed a script refill. He called both board guards. They gave him 3 hours to enter Vermont and get his pills. When he returned to Canada he had to show a video of the transaction. electronic trunk release and the pharmacy dropping the meds into his trunk and closing it. When he was good to go on the Canadian side. He questioned the guard. "why the video?" The guard's reply. "So you can show your neighbors". He uses a small crossing into Canada and knows must of the people on both sides. Less then a dozen people cross a day now.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Lockout air traffic control.

Pretty sure this is under federal jurisdiction. FAA, aka the Federal Aviation Administration.

Yup. But they can collect everybody arriving off to sequester hotel for 2 weeks, But who wants to get on a plane now for 5 hours or more?

As for protecting an island, NZ did a pretty good job,

[HONDO74]

As for protecting an island, NZ did a pretty good job,

They sure did. Closed their borders and no flights in from anywhere especial China. Now if NYC could have done that....

The US is too big of an island to lock it's borders down. However the cartels don't seen to have a problem with it

[chuck]

They sure did. Closed their borders and no flights in from anywhere especial China. Now if NYC could have done that....

Indications are that wouldn't have done much. While the virus may have started out in China, it looks more like it spread from China to Europe (e.g. Italy) and from Europe to North America as well as Africa. Not as clear a picture of whether it moved from North America to South America or Europe directly to South America. The timelines for infectious outbreaks as well as tracking mutations seems to bear this out. It isn't even clear that the people that carried it out of Europe where Chinese or had even been to China themselves. They just had been in contact with people who had contact with the disease.

We can (and probably should) do better screening of foreign travel, period. Track outbreaks all over the world in as real time as possible. No exceptions form where you live or whether you are a citizen of x, y, or z. Just whether you have been in or in contact with people from x, y, or z. I don't know how well that is going to go down with everyone involved. A lot of time/money/effort and no one is going to want to pay for this in terms of money, time, resources, potential embarrassment, etc.