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Re: Car Thread

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:25 am

Tony-h wrote:Roger, first we had one locally in Dale City, the next one is in Fredericksburg, then Rt. 15 in Frederick, MD., then the latest near Ft. Belvoir. I do not know how extensive the chain is but they seem to be expanding in this area at one per year. Huge stores. Take up a whole city block!
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That seems optimistic for the economy, boding well, perhaps?
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Re: Car Thread

Postby healey36 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:01 am

Spotted this while out for a drive this AM:

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Doesn't look like it's moved in awhile.

...a long while...

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Re: Car Thread

Postby v8vega » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:25 am

Theres one very similar where I live.

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Re: Car Thread

Postby John Webster » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:36 am

Sarge, the picture makes it look bigger than it is. Its a little bit larger than your Spridget and somewhat taller. I'm guessing it weighs between 1500 and 1800 pounds which gives it a power/weight ratio better than a 289 Cobra.

It was parked next to this Ruxton:

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Unfortunately the bright sunlight was too much for my camera. The Ruxton is light pink with maroon trim. Under the skin it and the Miller are brothers as they share Harry Miller's front wheel drive design.
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Re: Car Thread

Postby healey36 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:49 am

Beautiful automobile...crazy deco headlights.

Love the little Metropolitan in the background of the second pic (A-series engine, as early Spridget).

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Re: Car Thread

Postby healey36 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:59 am

sarge wrote:Bugeye/ Frogeye Sprites are stupid money because of the Trailer Toffs. Remember the earlier bit discussing the difference in hobbies (Show/Resto and Survivor). The show people put a premium on Frogeyes because they are the stereotype Sprite, so the price they pay is considered 'the price". They get very snotty about, "Well! I have a real Sprite." and go on about the trophies. In their world, the "Big Healey" people look down their noses at the Sprite people and the Frogeye people look down their noses at the later Sprites.


Suddenly I feel a bit cheap and tawdry, lol...

I concur with everything Sarge mentioned. I would add that the Spridget tub can absorb alot of corrosion and still be viable...body parts are readily available. Sills, floors, front and rear valances, and the lower portion of the rear fenders are particularly vulnerable (see example posted earlier today). Many are carrying a half-ton of bondo. A medium-strength magnet can reveal those bondo'd areas beneath a "freshening" respray.

Twenty years ago I taught myself how to weld (and grind) on the Sprite. Good lessons, but not ones I'd choose to repeat now.

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Re: Car Thread

Postby Tony-h » Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:48 pm

OK Sarge. That blue one, although not my favorite color, really got my attention! Sold! Where do I send the 5K? Oh heck, I just might consider a little more. I always thought the proper color for British iron was British Racing Green, whatever the real color turns out to be.

I, unfortunately, live just off I-95 at the Occoquan River, south of the District of Corruption. Things aint cheap around here!

To tell the truth, I much prefer the modern styling, except for that, (TR-7 wasn't it?), that THING, that looked like it was going downhill all the time! UGH!

I belonged to the AACA for a while but got mighty tired of those d****d nit pickers not liking my A's shade of green, or the slight metallic glint of it. The end came when I was dressed down for having the engine bolted to the frame with aircraft grade nylock nuts. They didn't come out until WW2, don't you know, so the only nuts acceptable are those castrated nuts with cotter pins. My A is a, IMHO, very nice DRIVER! If I want to take it to Fredericksburg, for instance, down I-95 I go at 55 on cruise control! I only tow my 27TT survivor because of the traffic here. Otherwise it is very comfortable at 25-30 with the high speed rear in Ruxtell high.

If you are ever in this neck of the woods stop by for a lemonade and some backroad driving on Mason Neck. The TT has only the 1929 title that came with it. Va DMV is too da*ned hardheaded about needing a death certificate from the owner who died around 1950, so it goes only to shows or parades where nobody ever questions the 1927 PA plates I got at Hershey!

OK. Enough of this diarrhea of the mouth.

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Re: Car Thread

Postby sarge » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:41 pm

Tony:

Check Craigs List for someplace like Winchester or Front Royal then, and you should get into a reasonable price range.

BTW, the blue one is mine in case I hadn't mentioned it (Grin!) It was a garage store for twenty odd years, then one of the lads here was waking it up until he decided his shop space needed a revisit so it ended up with me. It's coming around nicely so far.

Be a little patient and the right one will drop into your lap.

Meanwhile, next I'm down Springfield way I'll look you up; the offer works the other way too, so feel free to stick your nose in the door if you come up our way. I'll see if Healey is loose and we'll make it a mob.

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Re: Car Thread

Postby sarge » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:37 am

John:

The Ruxton is nice, but that little Miller has my eye. I like vintage racers and sportscars, which is why a go at one of the 20's Bentley LeMans cars always was a dream. I had a Matchbox of that car when I was a lad, and the dreams that went with it...

Healey:

It's very much like the kittens at the shelter; how I wish I could save them all. It's such a crime, for someone thinks they can get to one day and lets it sit in the weather. Then the weeds get up underneath and it never dries out under there anymore. Then it's gone for everyone.

Waking mine up and sorting it after 20 years under cover is a detailed exercise still not complete; fix things then drive it for a while, fix more stuff that comes up (and it already is coming up; no surprises and illusions here- Grin!), drive it some more, "rinse and repeat". Sitting is not good for them (or any vehicle for that matter) at all.

It'll get to the level the B currently is, but there is some (enjoyable) work to get it there. That's what survivors are about.

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Re: Car Thread

Postby robert. » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:37 am

healey36 wrote:Spotted this while out for a drive this AM:

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Doesn't look like it's moved in awhile.

...a long while...

Healey

I chased a 1912 Buick truck for years. On the day the farmer pulled it from his corn crib I saw it. 2 days later i knocked on his door. Only to hear "get off my land" A month or so later the truck had a blue tarp over it. A year later the car had a ripped blue tarp on it. Up to the house i went. out came the farmer "no go home" 3 years after that the truck had a ripped blue tarp under it. I walked back up to his door with money in hand. This time the farmer was a little slower from age. He said "hello' before He told me to "leave" Somewhere around the 10th year I see a sign net to the truck. Houses in the low 300,000. up to the door i go knock, knock no answer.
when the builder clear cut the farmers land out came a collection of pre war rust that you would not believe. Dumb arse builder pushed the into a pile with a d9 .then crushed them with his track hoe as he loaded it all into a scrap hauler.
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Re: Car Thread

Postby healey36 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:34 am

This car had current "Historic" plates on it, probably to keep the neighbors off his back. I have knocked on this guy's door at least twice...either he's never home or he chooses to ignore uninvited guests.

When I was in high-school a number of friends of mine and I would work hay-season on a few local farms, helping with the baling and the heft to the barn. It was a good way to make some pocket-money. There was an old farmer we used to work for that had an XK140 stuffed in an old chicken-coop/shed attached to his barn. No idea how it came into his possession. It was in pretty rough shape, just like most of his farm. I pestered him for five or six years trying to get him to sell me that car, but no dice. Then one day about ten years later I drove by and saw that one end of the barn had collapsed and fallen on top of the shed. Whatever...

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Re: Car Thread

Postby sarge » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:38 am

So as not to depress ourselves too much, the score still is two brought to life from storage here, plus Healey's Sprite; John W started this thread and has a Formula Vee socked away that I hope will resurrect nicely (You know it's still in the blood!) and Tony is on the hunt, already with an A and a TT (is it?) on hand, Bob T visits here with a couple Pony Cars, Tramp has his Chev (Impala wuz it?).

Not an un-impressive score of pre-'80 survivors amongst the regulars here, to be honest, and a good representation of petrolheads for a train forum (Grin!) when you add in Vega's Japanese iron he is so very happy to drive and Mitch's encyclopaedic knowledge. Can't forget a tip of the skimmer to Hev's memory and his love of tractors mirrored by the Dirt-man.

Then there are the locals here with a Corvair, 'Vettes, a Goat, another Pony car, and another MGB. Yesterday evening saw yet another ragtop Corvair out for an evening's cruise, a lovely white one with a pleasant couple who enjoyed seeing the Midget.

Then all these examples in all the photos, here and in the Jungle, we all enjoy seeing and photographing for the others here to see.

Take heart lads!

Look what the Lady of the Manor ordered up for my birthday, the dear! Four of these:

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Re: Car Thread

Postby v8vega » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:03 pm

Sarge just mentioned my Honda cars, I sold my 87 Prelude Si reciently which left me with two very small two seat cars a 88 CRX Si and a 95 del Sol VTEC. Then my TV quit I could have carried home a new TV in my Prelude. I removed the passenger seat from my CRX, its surprisingly roomy inside for a very small car and the 49" new TV just barely fit and I mean barely.
I just bought a 98 Integra GSR, the GSR indicates the performance model, all Integras are DOHC but this has VTEC. You ought to hear it at 7,000, redline is 8,00 but I'm old and try not to rev it that high.
Integras are hatchbacks so they have a big opening and you can carry things better, I rarely need to but now I can.
The trouble with all three of these cars is their very popular with kids, I think they have moved on to newer stuff as far as stealing them but I'm not sure.
The Integra GS-RI just bought is difficult to buy because their all owned by kids and all have been modified and won't pass smog, are lowered, have salvage titles because they were wrecked or stolen at some point or air bags have been deployed. They all have aftermarket radios or sterio systems which means the wiring had been all hacked up.
Regularly watching Craigslist I found one thats pretty original, it has aftermarket wheels but I like the wheels, a cat back exhaust thats louder than I want but its new and I can live with it. And a aftermarket intake air cleaner thats suppose to give a few more HP and its Calif. approved so it passes smog.

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Re: Car Thread

Postby healey36 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:39 pm

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Look what the Lady of the Manor ordered up for my birthday, the dear! Four of these:

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Just the beginning, Sarge...with those you should be able to put three more cars in that cavernous garage of yours.

A bit of history...the Sprite was recovered from the back of a garage in Mt. Washington, just on the edge of Baltimore City on the north side, roughly twenty-five years ago. The car had a lot of corrosion damage from the "A" posts back, a broken rear axle at the differential and collapsed front coil springs. It had been sitting dormant for five or six years. Oh, and it looked like wolverines had been living in it because the interior was shredded. Other than that it was in fine condition, and was purchased for the princely sum of $750.

Turning wrenches was not foreign to me. My father bought second-hand cars like he bought beer...the cheaper the better. Frequently the towing charge to haul it home was in excess of the book value. We went through a stream of British, German and Swedish iron over the course of my and my brothers' teenage years. No American cars, other than a '63 Falcon...last American car I ever saw with a choke on the dash. The Old Man had a masochistic streak. I think he figured the more time we spent laying under them the less time we spent driving them, which had the benefit of him knowing where we were, and it kept his insurance rates down. Oh, and no self-respecting woman would be seen in one of these things, and most had no back seat, so that was another problem solved. Got Chilton and Haynes guides out of the library and figured stuff out. Then off to college.

So university is done and I'm working. I sold my '70 Opel GT (purchased from a recycler for $500 in 1976 after having been wrecked) and bought a new '79 Capri (Mustang derivative) with a 5.0 liter V8. The Old Man just shakes his head. This is like driving a loaded gun. I'm thinking life doesn't get any better than this, and then in 1986 my youngest brother hauls home a '71 MGB for a daily driver.

That was an eye-opener. Not the B, as we'd encountered one of those earlier during the dark years, but we found out that unlike then parts were now widely available. One could phone-order stuff and have them on the door-step three or four days later. Moss, Victoria British and a few others. Hell, you could buy an entire new body tub if you wanted one. Without breaking the bank we patched up the B and my brother drove it for two or three years back and forth to work.

This got me to thinking. I'd always wanted an older Spridget or a Mini, figuring that with my 6'4" frame that was as close as I could get to "wearing" a car. I started watching the papers and damn if this one didn't turn up a few months later. With a bit of cajoling of the wife (oh, yeah, I got married somewhere along the way) the Sprite was now stuffed in the back of my garage.

Now the beauty of the late-model Sprite/Midget (Spridget) is that it has virtually no collector value (as Sarge has so painfully pointed out, lol). Any expenditures should be exclusively directed at maximizing fun as they are most likely unrecoverable in the long-run. The late-model Sprite is not investment-grade. I wanted the car to run well, be presentable and to shed water, nothing more.

I worked crazy hours throughout most of my career with a fair amount of travel, so fun time was limited. My brother bought a Toyota MR2 and needed a place to store the B...it too ended up in my garage. Sitting in the rain on parking lots had revealed a lot of poorly repaired body damage and corrosion...he decided he wanted to deal with that.

So whenever I could find time we started tearing down the B and the Sprite. We dropped the rear-end of the Sprite and got the broken axle out and replaced, then spent a few weeks tearing down and rebuilding the carbs. Had to rebuild the S.U. fuel pump, which I should have just replaced with a solid-state unit, but I stupidly insisted on using the original which has a point-set similar to the distributor. This would be problematic for years. New exhaust installed and the Sprite was running. The B was mechanically sound.

The following spring we started the body work. The first thing we did was remove all of the trim, the windshields, the luggage racks, gutted the interiors and then stripped the outside of both cars so we could get a handle on where the issues were.

The Sprite had corrosion damage on the front valance, the bottoms of the "A" pillar skins, the outer sills, the bottom half of the rear fenders and the rear valance. The trunk floor was holed at the back. The cockpit floor was thin but serviceable. The wheel wells had a couple of holes. Other than some damage on one rear fender there was very little Bondo.

The B had Bondo on the hood (bonnet), front wings, "A" pillar skins, door skins, outer sills, rear fenders and rear valance. The cockpit and trunk (boot) floors were intact (probably due to a badly leaking rear main-seal which kept the underside of the car liberally coated in engine oil).

We borrowed a mig-welder and started practicing welding. The welds were hideous but functional, so we practiced grinding as well. When we felt reasonably confident we bought the sheet-metal parts we needed and got to it. We measured the door openings, then blocked up the cars and cut out the outer sills and welded in replacements top and bottom. We hadn't removed the doors so we would keep opening and closing the doors to make sure everything was still gapped correctly. When we were done we unblocked the cars and stood on the tunnels figuring if the welds were weak they'd break and the car would collapse. Everything held solid. The hood and wings on the B were just bolt-ons. We uncrimped the door-skins and cut those off and replaced them with new. We cut the corrosion out of the wheel-wells and patched them with pieces of steel we bought at TSC. We left the "A" pillar skins, the bottoms of the rear fenders and the front and rear valances for a professional.

We found a local shop to finish the body work and respray. I remember being disappointed that I couldn't get a lacquer paint job. Apparently that has been banned as the benzene content had killed too many paint-booth guys. We had to settle for clear-coat. I went with BRG for the Sprite which was the original color, my brother went with an antique white (the original color was blue). Remember, only the outside of the cars was being repainted, so when you open the hood of the Sprite you see the original battered BRG, but on the B you see blue...so no concours open-hood display for these. After a few weeks we got the cars back and started the reassembly process. Another winter set in and the budget was shot. We were now pretty well past anything that was recoverable.

Over the winter I took the old interior panels over to The Old Man and he cut new ones for me out of masonite. I bought some heavy vinyl material from one of the local fabric stores and covered them, then I got some upholstery hardware from Lowes and reinstalled the panels. I was short one panel for the driver-side well, as The Old Man had cut a duplicate of one of the others. He'd chucked the old ones so we had no template to use...I'm still missing that one. I bought a pair of seat covers and interior door panels from Moss and installed those. I re-used the foam seat cushions because they were in decent shape and for some reason they wanted stupid money for the molded replacements. I used some baler twine to fashion a web on the underside of the seats to hold everything in place...somehow that seems to have held up. I install a new grille and hood-release.

We got the B interior back in and the windshield reinstalled the following spring. The original interior was black but we redid it in tan...it looks sharp. It took some time to get the electrics all back in place, but then the B was back in running order. It needed some front-end work so we hauled it up to Jack Merryman who was located in Hampstead, Maryland at the time. Jack did some "temporary" repairs, primarily to the steering rack, to resolve those issues. He also showed us how to "true" the wire wheels which we didn't even realize was needed.

I got the windshield back on the Sprite which was a bugger with the shimming and the seal that kept curling up underneath. I put the doors back together with all of the trim, although the driver's side door seal needs some work. I couldn't figure out how to get the window glass back in concurrent with the trim and the panels, so I just left them out (I don't have a top on it anyway). The next guy can worry about getting those back in.

We replaced the springs all around and serviced the dampers.

So then we ran into problems with the Sprite. We replaced the front brake rotors and pads and the rear drum pads. The brake master cylinder leaked like a sieve, so we replaced that with new, but we still had problems. Repeated attempts to bleed the brakes were unsuccessful...air is getting into the lines. The clutch slave cylinder was leaking. We also had problems with the starter engaging the flywheel (apparently a number of teeth had been knocked off the ring-gear at some point). That freaking S.U. fuel-pump that I had insisted on re-using started acting up. The steering rack was loose...way too loose. The hell with it...shove it in the back of the garage and go buy a modern roadster. The Z3 arrives and the B goes home.

Roll the clock forward fifteen years. My kid and I drop the engine and replace the ring-gear on the flywheel and clutch. We drain and slush the tank and I rebuild the fuel pump again, but it still works sporadically. We get the head and tail lights working, except for the brake lights and the turn indicators. We make what further repairs we can, given limited time and expertise. Retirement is looming. Cash will soon be short. I make a laundry list of issues and deliver it and the Sprite to John Tokar at Vintage Restorations to finish making it road-worthy. VR works on it on and off, rebuilds the front-end, repairs the braking system, installs a new solid-state fuel pump, and sorts the electrics.

The sunk cost is beyond anything reasonable. It's still an EPA super-fund site under the hood. But is it a survivor? Yup...some damn fool saved it.

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Sarge got me an antenna, but I still need a driver's side mirror...dammit.

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Re: Car Thread

Postby rogruth » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:20 pm

You drive it and your proud of it no matter what the show boys think.
Looks good to me
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