Whatzit?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Can you imagine such a thing as a public thrashing for an exposed ankle - or any other part - being perpetrated in the USA upon women?

Less than 100 years ago in the US, very easily imagined. What was done to women here has been very conveniently forgotten. Might want to refresh your memory of what was done to women for merely asking to be able to vote.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

If nobody is going to speak for the Muslims, I will.

Good man.

I agree.
Many years ago in the "Dark Ages" of my under grad days, I had a class about world religions and their sources.
Most of tje important religions were discussed but not really in any depth.
The class was taught by a prof that had traveled and studied in many parts of the world and, IMHO, the most
liberal thinking Baptist ministers I have ever met. He said, and I understood and agree, that no one can learn
much about religion in a year long college course. Oh, this was not a required course in any way.

Comparative Religion 201. A course that seem over due to being applied to the majority of the US that seems intent on revisiting the Dark Ages where what they "know" is all based on rumor, superstition,and deliberate lies.

I learned enough to know that I knew nothing about religion.

Few really ever do know more than what their parents hammered into them.....beyond the rumor, superstition,and deliberate lies.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Can you imagine such a thing as a public thrashing for an exposed ankle - or any other part - being perpetrated in the USA upon women?

Less than 100 years ago in the US, very easily imagined. What was done to women here has been very conveniently forgotten. Might want to refresh your memory of what was done to women for merely asking to be able to vote.

..or even for singing or whistling or wearing a brightly colored ribbon....

I don't need to refresh my memory. I am well aware. That does not distract me nor dissuade me from my anger and disdain for the treatment of this adolescent female. Not one bit.

I continue to be stunned at what some men, in some places and religions, have gotten away with, in the name of whatever "god" or "Prophet", and continue to get away with. WHY women allow it is , somewhat , beyond me. A F**** bully and creep is still a turd , in my estimation, I don't care what the religion or personal history it might be that he is screaming about.

The abuse needs to stop, no matter in whose "Name" it is perpetrated.

[HONDO74]

Can you imagine such a thing as a public thrashing for an exposed ankle - or any other part - being perpetrated in the USA upon women?

Less than 100 years ago in the US, very easily imagined. What was done to women here has been very conveniently forgotten. Might want to refresh your memory of what was done to women for merely asking to be able to vote.

Well yes/ the women wanted to ban alcohol and they succeed in that endeavor also.

And remember if it has tits or wheels you will have problems with it.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Can you imagine such a thing as a public thrashing for an exposed ankle - or any other part - being perpetrated in the USA upon women?

Less than 100 years ago in the US, very easily imagined. What was done to women here has been very conveniently forgotten. Might want to refresh your memory of what was done to women for merely asking to be able to vote.

Well yes/ the women wanted to ban alcohol and they succeed in that endeavor also.

And remember if it has tits or wheels you will have problems with it.

...goes without saying, but they still need protected and respected (and encountered with caution, too.)

[webenda]

The abuse needs to stop, no matter in whose "Name" it is perpetrated.

Why is there so much evil in the world?

3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.
--2 Corinthians 4:3-4 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

And who is the god of this world? The god referred to is the same one mentioned at 1 John 5:19.

19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one.
--1 John 5:19 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

And for those who do not wish to turn to the bible for answers to life's big questions...

"The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad, Under Western Eyes (1911), Pt. II, ch. 4

What do you want to do Murph,
a) exterminate evil people now,
b) wait for Armageddon,
c) something else?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Can you imagine such a thing as a public thrashing for an exposed ankle - or any other part - being perpetrated in the USA upon women?

Less than 100 years ago in the US, very easily imagined. What was done to women here has been very conveniently forgotten. Might want to refresh your memory of what was done to women for merely asking to be able to vote.

..or even for singing or whistling or wearing a brightly colored ribbon....

I don't need to refresh my memory. I am well aware. That does not distract me nor dissuade me from my anger and disdain for the treatment of this adolescent female. Not one bit.

I continue to be stunned at what some men, in some places and religions, have gotten away with, in the name of whatever "god" or "Prophet", and continue to get away with. WHY women allow it is , somewhat , beyond me. A F**** bully and creep is still a turd , in my estimation, I don't care what the religion or personal history it might be that he is screaming about.

The abuse needs to stop, no matter in whose "Name" it is perpetrated.

Well, do something real about it. And why limit it to adolescent females? Why not all people? Why limit your outrage to one narrow subset?

Why women allow it? You have adequate education to understand the historical background of this where women were practically property and w/o any means to object - that's pretty recent history even in this country. That's still true in a lot of the world.

We like to pretend we are enlightened, fair and equal here and now ( ), but it's painfully true and proven to be nonsense every day.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Can you imagine such a thing as a public thrashing for an exposed ankle - or any other part - being perpetrated in the USA upon women?

Less than 100 years ago in the US, very easily imagined. What was done to women here has been very conveniently forgotten. Might want to refresh your memory of what was done to women for merely asking to be able to vote.

Well yes/ the women wanted to ban alcohol and they succeed in that endeavor also.

Women were far from alone in that debacle - that took Congress and a majority of the states to enact - how many women were in Congress then?????

And remember if it has tits or wheels you will have problems with it.

Folks that like to believe that already have problems; usually self-inflicted.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

The abuse needs to stop, no matter in whose "Name" it is perpetrated.

Why is there so much evil in the world?

….What do you want to do Murph,
a) exterminate evil people now,
b) wait for Armageddon,
c) something else?

Help People. Defend people. Be as pleasant as possible to others.
Be well aware of the rampant evil around oneself, who are ever-at-the-ready to harm, rob, rape, and debauch.
Confront and challenge bullies.

Be kind. Helpful. Supportive.
Patient.
Help children to have answers and to play (helping provide plenty of things for them to play with and learn from.)
Kindness.
Courtesy. Politeness (as much as I can muster-up, given my own weaknesses and faults.)

Grace.

Enjoy the beauty around oneself, man-made and natural. Sing. Let truthful music sink into oneself.

Acknowledge the soul in us and that we have in-common with others.
Behave.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

...
... And why limit it to adolescent females? ..

Huh? Where did you get that conclusion! That's just silly. How did I not make it clear I was talking about ALL FEMALES, an opinion instigated by the treatment of one of my students that I told you about. HUh? Huh? Mygod. Wake up.

[webenda]

Murph, your answer to "What do you want to do?" sounds like Reinhold Niebuhr's Serenity Prayer.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Murph, your answer to "What do you want to do?" sounds like Reinhold Niebuhr's Serenity Prayer.

Thank you, Wayne.

[Roy]

By contrast, the Catholic rules about priests not marrying is completely human policy. In the days when priests did marry, there was confusion when they died about what property went to their children, and what went to the church. Given the suffering caused by their first solution, you'd think they'd try something else. But, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Let is see what the Bible says on the subject. This is Jesus talking about celibacy.

Matthew 19:11-12 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
11 But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this precept, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”[a]

Footnotes:
[a] Jesus means that a life of continence is to be chosen only by those who are called to it for the sake of the kingdom of God.

Concerning the term, "eunuch" in Matthew 19:12:
In a literal sense, "eunuch" means a castrated male. Such men were often appointed in royal courts as attendants or caretakers of the queen and the concubines. The term also refers to a man who was, not a literal eunuch, but an official assigned to duties in the court of the king. It is used figuratively for a ‘eunuch for the Kingdom,’ one who exercises self-control so as to apply himself more fully to the service of God.​

Definition: Continence refers to self control. It's the ability to hold it all in. The word continence come from the Latin continentia which means "a holding back.”

Well, that's wonderful Wayne, but you're missing the point. The Levitical priests were not required to be celibate, nor were Catholic priests, up to a certain time. I grew up in an Episcopal church (that's what we call the Church of England here in the colonies), and our priest was married.

Priestly celibacy was introduced to protect church property. When one considers how much suffering sexual misconduct by priests has caused, you'd think the church would reconsider their policies.

[webenda]

Well, that's wonderful Wayne, but you're missing the point. The Levitical priests were not required to be celibate, nor were Catholic priests, up to a certain time. I grew up in an Episcopal church (that's what we call the Church of England here in the colonies), and our priest was married.

Priestly celibacy was introduced to protect church property. When one considers how much suffering sexual misconduct by priests has caused, you'd think the church would reconsider their policies.

I don't think I missed as much as ignored the point about greed because I accept your chronology and the true reason for priestly celibacy but do not accept that it is completely human policy. I also know that the Episcopal Church follows the via media or "middle way" between Protestant and Roman Catholic doctrine and practices: that is both Catholic and Reformed. I used to play tennis with a friend who was an Episcopal Altar Boy and we compared notes on our church practices.

Edit 1: Was, celebrity; is celibacy

Wasn't a typo, I misspelled "celibacy" and AutoSpell fixed it to "celebrity." I saw it right away but I am multitasking this afternoon went on to the next task (clothes ready for solar dryer.) I just got back from cleaning the kitty litter tray to find Rufus already having fun with my spelling error. Now the error shall live on in infamy.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I don't think I missed as much as ignored the point about greed because I accept your chronology and the true reason for priestly celebrity but do not accept that it is completely human policy. I also know that the Episcopal Church follows the via media or "middle way" between Protestant and Roman Catholic doctrine and practices: that is both Catholic and Reformed. I used to play tennis with a friend who was an Episcopal Altar Boy and we compared notes on our church practices.

I think there's entirely too much priestly celebrity!

Episcopal are different beasts that other Protestants; having "sampled" several flavors over the decades, they all have their distinct flavors and peculiarities, enough so that I shun them all.

As for whether or not its human policy, I have yet to have it confirmed that aliens beamed down to the Vatican; however, given events over history there, it's also not to be discounted as being possible.