Southern Pacific Steam 2023
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Dennis Holler
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Yes, it needs so fixing, that was loose before the seller wrapped it up. Think the package weighed about 13 pounds so probably about par for the course.
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Re: Southern Pacific Steam 2023
Dennis, in this picture what is the small brass engine. The reason I ask is because I just bought one that looks like it. The one I bought is a 2-6-0 the ID tag on the bottom says KTM and a MG in a diamond with what looks like a serial number.
I bought it from a friend of mine that bought out a 2 rail O gauge collection that had been sitting in a barn for years.
I only bought it as a shelf piece. I don't even know if it runs

I bought it from a friend of mine that bought out a 2 rail O gauge collection that had been sitting in a barn for years.
I only bought it as a shelf piece. I don't even know if it runs

Re: Southern Pacific Steam 2023
Hondo, what you have is a Porter Mogul made by Katsumi (KTM) in Japan and imported by Max Gray (Perfection Models) in 1959. It retailed new at $109.
Hope it helps.
Hope it helps.
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Thank you for the information about it. I tried looking up info about it but the only thing I saw was an HO model that looked like it. There is a lever in the cab that I assume is a reversing switch and that this is DC powered. If I could post pictures here I would but I can't
Re: Southern Pacific Steam 2023
Both of those assumptions are correct. The motor has a wound rotor and stator (a "wound field" motor) so requires a switch to reverse the polarity of one without changing the other. They are intended for DC operation, though theoretically could run on AC. Never tried it so no idea whether the motor would heat up doing so and potentially damage itself.
If you can send me a photo through email, I can post it for you if you'd like. I know Healey has done the same for you, has he not?
If you can send me a photo through email, I can post it for you if you'd like. I know Healey has done the same for you, has he not?
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I will get some pictures take today and send them to healey. The person I bought this from has a lot more that he is going to sell Plus he has a lot of track that came with all of it.
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Guys, here's the photos you sent me, Hondo...if you need them blown up, let me know.


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Yep, that's what it is.
Looks in pretty pristine shape, too.
Looks in pretty pristine shape, too.
- Rufus T. Firefly
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sarge wrote:Looks in pretty pristine shape, too.
Indeed and very nice. Not a lot of earlier era O scale locos out there......
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- R.K. Maroon
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That little Mogul is indeed a nice model. The variety of models that KTM produced over the years is remarkable, at least to me. My understanding is that most (or all?) of the Max Gray, U.S. Hobbies, and Westside models were KTMs. And I want to say IMP models were also KTM. How about Toby? Was that an importer or a Japanese model builder?
Had some SP steam action on the club layout this weekend:

https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j7hqzfhtotjewkisf1npr/MT-4-meets-AC-8.jpg?rlkey=txwcwicss1m1bja2ycia7b7t4
Both models have Jerry White's fingerprints on them. More photos and video later.
Jim
Had some SP steam action on the club layout this weekend:

https://dl.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j7hqzfhtotjewkisf1npr/MT-4-meets-AC-8.jpg?rlkey=txwcwicss1m1bja2ycia7b7t4
Both models have Jerry White's fingerprints on them. More photos and video later.
Jim
The link below any photo will display the image full size
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In O scale, IMP I believe was all Katsumi (KTM). Max was mostly KTM with a few pieces done by Toby (another Japanese builder) as was US Hobbies. Westside did several with KTM but also with the Koreans (Samhongsa for one). PSC did a few projects (the PSC "Crown" series) with KTM as well before pretty much everything shifted to Korea.
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bob turner
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Here is the Lobaugh version of that MT-4, copied from page 2 of this thread:

Dennis - all of your links are disappearing - you should consider Shutterfly.
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bob turner
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Delighted to see this place revived. We owe most of it to Brian and Martin - we lived through the dry period.
We appear to be considerably more active than the OGR counterpart.
I do like the cabooses and especially the doorstop 44 ton Diesel!
We appear to be considerably more active than the OGR counterpart.
I do like the cabooses and especially the doorstop 44 ton Diesel!
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steamaheadstephen59
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Dennis or any one, I've taken to posting my pictures to facebook for my friends there, then I can copy the address, and share them with you. I also have a KTM Magul, mine has an open frame DC permanent magnet motor, but etched into the side of the tender are some Japanese writing. My friends elsewhere loved this one. The truth is they probably think me boring.Return to “O-Gauge, 2-Rail, Model Railroading”
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