Lobaugh Challengers

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby bob turner » Tue May 20, 2025 1:08 pm

Here is a wood block tender - a smaller version of the ATSF Mallet tenders.

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Obviously, the side is a brass overlay - glued successfully using Bargs cement. Sometimes the cement gives way on such things as Walthers passenger car sides, but these relatively large surfaces seem to hold forever. Epoxy and clamps would also do just fine.

The wood is typically anything I have on the shop floor - usually construction wood, like "Western White Wood."

Laminating the block is with Weldwood water based exterior glue - never any problems.

Finish - multiple coats of lacquer based sanding sealer - I buy it in gallon form, but one can buy it an ounce at a time for model airplanes. Brush it on, let it dry, sand with regular sandpaper, and about coat #3 the wood grain is simply gone. Two more coats, then glue the sides on and shoot with your choice of locomotive paint.

This is standard for Walthers passenger car roofs, and I use it on any wood model, including those with scribed sides. I just do one coat on the sides, because I do not want to fill in the plank grooves. But for decals, you really want a very smooth surface.

For models, this is a lot like spar varnish. It seals against moisture, so you do not get cracks and splits after a long display period.

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby SWrailroader » Tue May 20, 2025 2:59 pm

Bob,
Thank you on the info for the info on the wood block tenders. Never thought about brass sheet overlay- interesting.
Rob

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby up148 » Tue May 20, 2025 3:03 pm

That is an interesting model and an even more interesting modification. I just wish I could get into door stops, but although they are fascinating historically, they do not grab my attention.

I wanted to see Carey's presentation on O Scale Central, but we lost Cox on Saturday night and I had to miss it. Maybe next month?

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby SWrailroader » Tue May 20, 2025 7:48 pm

UP148, the Carey Williams presentation is on YouTube. It was excellent. Here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoMRCNMNuPc

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby bob turner » Fri May 23, 2025 9:40 pm

We really do need to get back to railroading. Butch's Challenger is not Lobaugh, but worth repeating here:

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby SWrailroader » Sun May 25, 2025 9:01 am

That Challenger is a museum piece. Is it a USH WESTSIDE? Maybe a PSC Crown?? Oh I see. On the sheet, one can just see PSC at least on my iPad. Bob, thank you for posting.

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby up148 » Sun May 25, 2025 11:02 am

It's a Crown and I hope to add some additional details and features. So far everything has been a positive surprise except for one item. Marty Megregian warned me the PSC Crown BB's and Challengers had an Achilles heel saying the boiler saddle on the rear engine will break the solder joints more often than not........and he was correct. His fix was to screw and solder tabs onto the saddle and the uprights and then cut off the screws.....sounds reasonable.

Other than this the model has been filled with "wow" items I didn't expect.

BTW, I reduced the size of this photo way below what I normally do and it's large enough for posting here...great suggestions SWR.

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby up148 » Sun May 25, 2025 11:22 am

Not trying to hi-jack this thread, but here are a few photos of a PSC Crown I had back in 2009. Someone converted it to dual motors and painted and weathered it as they come unpainted. I sold it in 2011 when I ordered a KOH's Challenger....debatable if that was a good decision or not.

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby ScaleCraft » Sun May 25, 2025 12:57 pm

Yeah, that Koh's will run circles around anything you've go. Oh, wait.
Dave....gone by invitation

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby SWrailroader » Sun May 25, 2025 1:05 pm

Up148,
That is an impressive model! Thank you for sharing.
Rob

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby up148 » Sun May 25, 2025 2:23 pm

Yeah, KOH's don't run for &^$#(). :lol: But, I had Lee Turner weather it and it was the most lifelike model I owned, until I stupidly sold it to a fellow in Dallas. :(

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby bob turner » Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:59 pm

Anxiously awaiting the Carey video of his Jabelmann Challenger. Meantime I sort of dropped a Harriman Pacific project in favor of resurrecting some fragments into a Jabelmann mechanism. I got many pieces from Bob Stevenson - they are not exact, but close. Side rods are from Lobaugh patterns. Mains are from molds off of an original rod, so ever so slightly shorter. Plenty good enough. Crossheads need an added piece to connect the link to (easy). And valve spindle guides are undersize, but usable.

My big problem was I ran out of original Lobaugh valve gear rods, and had to make my own from .032 brass. I did not get the delicate look I was going for, but what I wound up with was acceptable - especially given that I already have six Lobaugh "Jabelmann" Challengers and really do not need more.

I shall try to get photos of the finished Gersh Challenger and this new mechanism.

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby bob turner » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:19 pm

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This is a photo from 2013. The mechanism I am working on is shown in preliminary machined status - it came to me unmachined. So twelve years later I am just about to put the gears together and track test it.

The mechanism on the right is from a model labeled as 3999. I have no memory of that locomotive, or what I did to it -just that it came through my shop for some reason.

Update Jun 25 - 30 minute test run for my cobbled together Challenger mechanism - successful! Only one screw fell out. Non-catastrophic.

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby bob turner » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:01 pm

Here are my latest Challenger engines, fresh off a smooth track test. Note the sheared rivet on the crosshead link of the forward engine - both sides sheared. Might have been due to inadequate clearance between the valve spindle and the joints between radius rod, valve rod, and combination lever.
Cured by more grinding, then forcing a #27 drill bit in to curve the two halves outboard.

Also note the motor mount. It gets replaced by aircraft safety wire if I decide to keep the can motor.

Toyota tubing for the motor to rear gearbox, but cheap vacuum line between the engines. I will replace that with speedometer cable at some point - i need easy assembly, and the Toyota hose just hangs on too tight.

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The black Challenger is Gersh's.

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Re: Lobaugh Challengers

Postby bob turner » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:13 pm

By the way - I am out of steam pipes for these fine Challengers. Stevenson has them, but if any of you have piles of small Challenger steam pipes and swivels, let me know - I rather like the originals better than the slightly smaller ones currently available. I used to have piles of such things, but somehow they had a way of getting soldered on to deficient models.


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