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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:23 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
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Roy wrote:Note the wheel grooves end. Gets me wondering if they were built into the road.

In some places, ruts were purposely cut into narrow streets to help guide carts between the stones. In other places no ruts were found in the streets so so maybe the street was closed to wheeled traffic.

That's the first I've heard anybody make sense of that phenomenon. And that includes instructors on-site who gave tours of Pompeii.

OK Murph, you just pushed one of my buttons!

Guides that lead us through antiquities,
“Hear this, you foolish and senseless people:
You have eyes but cannot see;
You have ears but cannot hear."

Why the deep groves is obvious just by observation of no groves before or after the stepping stones. What do theorists think, the stones only wear where wagons are guided between the stones? The direction of traffic is obvious by the length of the entrance groves compared to the exit. The entrance has to be long for the driver to maneuver a wagon into them. Length is not important on the exit, the wagon hops right out. Hardly rocket science now is it?

The guides that take one to the White House Ruins in Canyon de Chelly, Arizona, can't tell you anything about the writing on the wall except, "Nobody knows what it means." That is probably true, nobody can see with their eyes and they certainly are not going to hear me. And yet, reading the writing on the wall is easier than reading an elementary school primary reader.

I am starting a new "Whatzit?" This one will be in reverse, I will start with a wide view of the object and then narrow the view as this goes.

The question is not, "What is it?" It is writing on the wall of the cliff.

The question is not, "What does it say?" It says, "Warning, do not climb the wall, you might fall and get hurt!"

The question is, "Where is the verb, 'fall,' meaning to move downward, typically rapidly and freely without control, from a higher to a lower level?"

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:14 am

pictographs or petroglyph

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Re: Whatzit?

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:35 am

The figure is addressing the same minds that would be receptive to the gaze of the stone figures on Easter Island, as they look outward toward...(?)...and for...(?)….
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:04 am

HONDO74 wrote:pictographs or petroglyph


Petroglyphs are images created by removing part of a rock surface by incising, picking, carving, or abrading, as a form of rock art. Many archeologists consider the writing on the rocks as art. Some of it is art but the Whatzit is not, it is writing just as this text is writing.

Pictograph is a pictorial symbol for a word or phrase. Pictographs were used as the earliest known form of writing, examples having been discovered in Egypt and Mesopotamia from before 3000 BC. The native Americans brought this form of writing with them.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:12 am

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Is that your answer in pictograph form Hondo74?
If so, you are close. Explain your thoughts, please.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:22 am

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Is that your answer in pictograph form Hondo74? If so, you are close. Explain your thoughts please.


Wayne, I never really understood the question or figured out what you were looking for. I just happened to notice the figure and thought maybe it had something to do with your question. Best answer I can give.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:26 am

OK, we'll give someone else a chance.

Where is the verb, "to fall," in the pictoglyph writing?
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:14 am

webenda wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:pictographs or petroglyph


Petroglyphs are images created by removing part of a rock surface by incising, picking, carving, or abrading, as a form of rock art. Many archeologists consider the writing on the rocks as art. Some of it is art but the Whatzit is not, it is writing just as this text is writing.

Pictograph is a pictorial symbol for a word or phrase. Pictographs were used as the earliest known form of writing, examples having been discovered in Egypt and Mesopotamia from before 3000 BC. The native Americans brought this form of writing with them.

Very interesting points, with which I have no trouble aligning myself, of course; however, was it an oversight not including the written language of the Far East, such as in ancient China, in your assertion? Are not their written symbols art as communication, also? (When one mentions "Native Americans," one has to mention their origins in Asia as well, right?)

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:59 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Very interesting points, with which I have no trouble aligning myself, of course; however, was it an oversight not including the written language of the Far East, such as in ancient China, in your assertion? Are not their written symbols art as communication, also? (When one mentions "Native Americans," one has to mention their origins in Asia as well, right?)

No, not an oversight, the question has nothing to do with Chinese Logograms (Wikipedia calls Chinese characters, "logograms.")

The written language of the native Americans pre-dates present-day Chinese characters. A few Chinese characters, including some of the most commonly used, were originally pictograms, which depicted the objects denoted. The vast majority were written using the rebus principle, in which a character for a similarly sounding word was either simply borrowed or (more commonly) extended with a disambiguating semantic marker to form a phono-semantic compound character.

Here is one of the few Chinese characters that was derived from a pictogram rather than a sound.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby rogruth » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:08 pm

Wayne,
The elephant stuff above seems almost obvious when shown in order as above.
I don't think I would have been the deviser of that.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:20 pm

Here are three hints:
Hint one, some bird pictographs.
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Hint two: Jack and Jill traditional English nursery rhyme.

Hint three: Jack is the human like pictograph.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby rogruth » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:44 pm

Water nearby?
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby rogruth » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:23 pm

Or Jack fell down and broke something?
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:00 pm

rogruth wrote:Or Jack fell down and broke something?

Correct Roger, now where is the verb meaning. "to fall?"
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