Missouri Pacific PA,s from SSM

[Jay Criswell]

Gregg,

Yes, the measurement is taken just where the tread meets the flange.

Jay

[GreggL]

Gregg,

Well, 40" is better for me. I have several thousand more of them than the 42". I probably only have a few thousand 42~

How was the conversion? Does the model still run?

Jay

Wanted to follow up on this post - finally got around to finishing the conversion. Pretty easy, although it _is_ different than doing Sunset Models E8 locomotive. The Alco PA2 requires removing a side frame of the truck in order to slip the wheel sets past the cast-on brakes on the center axle. Easy enough though - remove the gear covers and loosen the electrical pickups. Pull out the Ow5 wheel sets and insert Jay's P:48 wheel sets and re-assemble. Runs like a charm.

And the 40" wheels look great!

...gregg

[cole7015]

nice to know this works, with out a head ache involved.

[Jay Criswell]

Cole,

Oh there were headaches. Gregg is being nice. Truth be told all the problems were created by me. One shoulder was too large to fit into the journal's ball bearing. I sent a replacement and it had the wrong gear. I would have bet money this couldn't happen and I would have lost. There are two different sized gears, kept in different parts drawers. How he ended up with the wrong gear is on me also. Seems to be a pattern developing here.

Gregg,

Thanks for persevering!


Jay

[milepost57]

I too have the MoPac #8019 PA2 and removed the Ow5 wheel sets during the process of converting to P:48 wheel sets. Scott's original wheel sets measure 0.872" where the wheel meets the flange, making that portion a scale 42" in diameter. If the prototype measures elsewhere for diameter, please advise and I will check. However, no where on the wheel does it measure 0.832" which it would have to be a scale 40". For me, this is perfect - as Bill mentioned at the show, MoPac used a 40" wheel. The P:48 sets are a perfect match for me.

...gregg

What is an Ow5 wheel set ?

[GreggL]

What is an Ow5 wheel set ?

A non-perjorative term for the original 2R O scale wheel sets, which are gauged at 1.25" (5 scale feet)...which is slightly wider than P:48 at 1.177" inches (scale 4' 8.5").

...gregg

[De Bruin]

I think some people here might find it pejorative, but its all relative....as in how much invective do we need these days right?
On a different note, the Eagle scheme Bill's PA displays is one of my favorites, just as the MP system, especially the Gulf Lines and T&P is one of the roads I have an interest in for future projects.
I think SSM got the color right, that is it looks good to me relative to the average of color photos I have in print and culled from on line.
Is there a specific paint name or suitable commercial brand for the blue component ? Close is ok as even factory car sets would oxidize to slight variations within the lot.
Bill, or any other MP fans out there?

[aterry11]

Tough one on color. The PRRTHS paint guide lists the PRR cars for interchange service on the Texas Eagle with a Pullman paint diagram as Blue 70-23 there is a colorn drift in the back showing the blue but it looks way darker. The print says in small print blue retint. Hope this helps

[cole7015]

This is my opinion The SSM are a little on the semi gloss side for me but do think they got the color right.
My personal preference is gloss or a 50/50 gloss to semi mixture. I plane on doing a gloss clear coat to my
2 PA'S . Now if you can get it I use floquil crystal cote, It will make it a little darker maybe a shade. I despise all other clear cote
presently on the market. Most will turn yellow over time, them we can discuss that until " 2525 if man is still alive".


Bill Basden Delta Models http://www.deltamodelsusa.com

I think some people here might find it pejorative, but its all relative....as in how much invective do we need these days right?
On a different note, the Eagle scheme Bill's PA displays is one of my favorites, just as the MP system, especially the Gulf Lines and T&P is one of the roads I have an interest in for future projects.
I think SSM got the color right, that is it looks good to me relative to the average of color photos I have in print and culled from on line.
Is there a specific paint name or suitable commercial brand for the blue component ? Close is ok as even factory car sets would oxidize to slight variations within the lot.
Bill, or any other MP fans out there?

[cole7015]

This is my opinion The SSM are a little on the semi gloss side for me but do think they got the color right.
My personal preference is gloss or a 50/50 gloss to semi mixture. I plane on doing a gloss clear coat to my
2 PA'S . Now if you can get it I use floquil crystal cote, It will make it a little darker maybe a shade. I despise all other clear cote
presently on the market. Most will turn yellow over time, them we can discuss that until " 2525 if man is still alive".


Bill Basden Delta Models http://www.deltamodelsusa.com

This is one of my cars using crystal cote .

I think some people here might find it pejorative, but its all relative....as in how much invective do we need these days right?
On a different note, the Eagle scheme Bill's PA displays is one of my favorites, just as the MP system, especially the Gulf Lines and T&P is one of the roads I have an interest in for future projects.
I think SSM got the color right, that is it looks good to me relative to the average of color photos I have in print and culled from on line.
Is there a specific paint name or suitable commercial brand for the blue component ? Close is ok as even factory car sets would oxidize to slight variations within the lot.
Bill, or any other MP fans out there?

[sarge]

Cole

Don't know if this helps, but I have not had any problems with yellowing using old formulation Testors Glosscote (bottled, not rattle cans) thinned with automotive grade lacquer thinner. Old formulation means the pre-21st century stuff, specifically still labelled as a lacquer. I bought a couple boxes back when there was a serious threat of banning solvent-paints (thankfully that didn't happen) along with a sizable hoard of Scalecoat.

If my experience reflects yours, I can post you a couple bottles.

I agree about Crystal Cote. Like all Floquil, it is kept under lock and key with uniformed guards posted. Precious nectar indeed.
The craftwomen who run Testors today made a huge mistake dropping Floquil, more interested in the world of twigs, barnwood, and A. C. Moore (this by direct conversation with Testors at the time).

I bought out our local shop of their Floquil remains, all colours I don't need, but maybe some leftcoasters might, Daylight Orange, Daylight Red, SP Scarlet, happy to trade for Weyerhauser Green, any blacks, and boring east coast colours.

Gregg
I notice you purposely and quickly used "non-pejorative" and I truly believe you intended it thus. You therefore probably know the origin was very pejorative, and those who knew the inventor of the term also were keenly aware of his original intent. I only tell you this because you might inadvertently switch off otherwise helpful people who regard it as a little private in-the-club "inside dig" (wink-wink) followed by protestations of feigned innocence. I have to agree with DeBruin; "how much invective do we need these days."

[Rufus T. Firefly]

............. happy to trade for Weyerhauser Green.........

I would be delighted to relieve folks of burden of storage of their bottles of Floquil Weyerhauser Green!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I notice you purposely and quickly used "non-pejorative" and I truly believe you intended it thus. You therefore probably know the origin was very pejorative, and those who knew the inventor of the term also were keenly aware of his original intent. I only tell you this because you might inadvertently switch off otherwise helpful people who regard it as a little private in-the-club "inside dig" (wink-wink) followed by protestations of feigned innocence. I have to agree with DeBruin; "how much invective do we need these days."

Well stated and thank you.

[sarge]

Ruf:

I knew that, which was why I put Weyerhaeuser Green in that list. Grin!

Me, any of the other greens work fine for me, as do rust, depot buff, foundation, greys, the various blacks, darker reds, browns. I'm easy. Oh, yeah, Crystal Cote too. Grin!

The SP colours, though, might be useful to others here, so I snagged 'em.

We can start a Floquil Exchange Service here.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

We can start a Floquil Exchange Service here.

Not a terribly bad thought.

[bob turner]

I really liked Floquil for Engine and Weathered Black. I found that only Dio-Sol would thin the Dull Cote. But for Daylight and PRR colors, as well as Pullman and Empire Green, nothing would do for me but Scale Coat.

None seem to have shelf life any more. And don't get me started on Piper Cub Yellow.

And Cole - thanks for the beautiful photo. Photos are in very short supply around here.