Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby chuck » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:23 am

I suspect that putting the road under the track might make the trains run somewhat better....


Maybe the railroads should adopt something like the jet blast deflectors used on aircraft carriers? Road "normally" runs over the tracks, when a train is coming the "road way" lifts and becomes a wall.

We would need to come up with a "fail to safe" mode (counterweights/springs?) for the train to clear it and the force would have to be great enough to shove any offending vehicle off to the side.
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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:01 am

chuck wrote:We would need to come up with a "fail to safe" mode (counterweights/springs?) for the train to clear it and the force would have to be great enough to shove any offending vehicle off to the side.


Springboard and they would have to stick the landing on the other side.
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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby G3750 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:13 am

What's that old saying? Never show a fool a half done job? :lol:

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Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:14 am

G3750 wrote:What's that old saying? Never show a fool a half done job? :lol:

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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby G3750 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:05 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
G3750 wrote:What's that old saying? Never show a fool a half done job? :lol:

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You just made that up. :lol:
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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:21 am

G3750 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
G3750 wrote:What's that old saying? Never show a fool a half done job? :lol:

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You just made that up. :lol:


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Postby G3750 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:05 pm

You! Back of the tardis, please!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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G3750 wrote:You! Back of the tardis, please!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby G3750 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:19 am

All:

I wanted to express my appreciation for all (yes, all Rufus :lol: ) the suggestions, comments, and thoughts put forth on my new layout plan. While I haven't spent any time on this topic since late August, a lot has been happening in the background. House plans have been finalized, and things are moving towards a late spring end-point.

In the meantime, work on the current Panhandle has slowed to a crawl. More on that soon in the original Panhandle thread.

Thanks everyone!

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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby G3750 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:24 pm

Updated 9/17/2016:

I am working on additional piers that might be used to expand the Panhandle bridge. Some photos and diagrams follow.

Here are some photos of the prototype. I've circled the pier of interest in red.

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Here is one of my two drawings for the pier.
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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:32 am

G3750 wrote:I am working on additional piers that might be used to expand the Panhandle bridge.


New house must have a lot of room in it; expanding the layout before moving, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby rogruth » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:26 am

I had noticed that feature on this bridge before. I have never seen a model like this.

The hillsides were certainly changed considerably when new roads were built.
My guess is that there would have been a great outcry if the railroads had done that to the hills.
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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby G3750 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:07 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
G3750 wrote:I am working on additional piers that might be used to expand the Panhandle bridge.


New house must have a lot of room in it; expanding the layout before moving, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yeah, it's jumping the gun a little bit, but the guy who made my first set of bridge piers is going out of business. Before he does, I need to get these made.

The piers will extend the Weirton side of bridge. That's to the right of the bridge on the track plan. I'll probably straighten out that slight turn, too. This isn't so much an expansion of the layout (no change in overall size), as it is an enhancement.

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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby G3750 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:14 pm

rogruth wrote:I had noticed that feature on this bridge before. I have never seen a model like this.

The hillsides were certainly changed considerably when new roads were built.
My guess is that there would have been a great outcry if the railroads had done that to the hills.


You're right, Roger. On the West Virginia side, the state really transformed the land as a result of two projects:
  • The Route 22 bypass, which seemed to forever to get approval and get built.
  • The Route 2 hill-side stabilization (south of the bridge). Rocks were always falling onto Route 2 as it headed towards Follansbee and Wheeling. The state took the opportunity to widen the road and removed massive parts of the hillside.

On the Steubenville side (which was the bottle neck for the entire project), the hillside was cut away to permit a short-cut up the hill to the Lovers Lane area.

And there's no way the railroads would have been allowed to do any of this.

In the end, this bypass project pretty much killed downtown Steubenville and eclipsed much of downtown Weirton. All the action is up on the hills now.

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Re: Sneak Peak: Preliminary track plan for PRR Panhandle 2.0

Postby chuck » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:49 pm

Not common but not really that extra ordinary either. On a railroad bridge the loading is higher and the ability to increase elevation is more difficult. If the crossing has navigation issues then an over truss will proved the necessary clearance and increased span that an under truss can't.

Here is a drawing of a swing plus over plus under truss on the Thames near Groton, CT

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