GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

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GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:45 am

Here's the blurb from Scott Mann's January 2017 newsletter:

A Quick Update of Projects:
- SP S-12 0-6-0 Models Arrive this week. Order Yours now, only a few left](http://www.3rdrail.com/instock.html#SPS12). We posted a new video of a test run at the factory. Come see.
- Announcing SP Hospital Car Paint Schemes. Click HERE.
- Sierra #38 Production is a GO!!!
- T&P 2-10-4 Production is a GO!!!
- E8/E9 Reservations are now full and closed. Any further reservations must be on stand-by. These are entering production now. We expect them in April.
- GGD 12-1 / 8-1-2 Sleepers will arrive in early February. Some roads are fully reserved, others not. See our web site for details.
- GGD O Scale Harriman Car Entering Production. Also, reservations closing soon.
- GGD GN Empire Builder and Great Dome Project Design is Done. We are planning production in 3rd Quarter of 2017.
- GGD Silver Meteor Design to begin this quarter. Production in late 2017 planned. It's a GO!!!


Scale City Designs is making headrest covers for passenger cars:

http://www.scalecitydesigns.com/Headrest-Covers_c_133.html

Hopefully they'll do some SAL covers too:

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I've been waiting a long time to see a properly done Seaboard passenger train, hope my input to this finally pays off!
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:41 pm

Here's the 6 SAL cars Scott's suppose to get done:

1 Budd Baggage Dormitory 6050.jpg
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2 Budd 52 seat coach 6218.jpg
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4 Budd 10-6 Sleeper Miami.jpg
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3 Budd Diner 6112.jpg
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5 Pullman Sun Lounge Palm Beach.jpg
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6 Budd Observation Tavern Lounge 6605.jpg
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In addition, he's suppose to do a PRR coach and sleeper, and a RF&P coach as they were built from the same plan by Budd.
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:57 pm

Seaboard Air Line Fan wrote:......some SAL covers...


Try making your own using some Avery labels......
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby DeBruin » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:35 pm

I sure hope they sell some of those coaches 'al lacarte'
that plan is good for a bunch of roads, and the MAC versions are such a chore.
I bet you're licking your chops over this run Bob-Bob

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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:01 pm

DeBruin wrote:I sure hope they sell some of those coaches 'al lacarte'
that plan is good for a bunch of roads, and the MAC versions are such a chore.
I bet you're licking your chops over this run Bob-Bob


I've been salivating for an accurate Silver Meteor set for as long as I've been modeling (1978).
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Wolf » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:38 pm

When I talked to Scott at OSW last year about ordering just
the Sun Lounge, he just laughed and said that would not happen...
he wouldn't be able to sell as many complete sets! :shock:
Maybe he will change his mind? I wouldn't count on it, just
as I can't count on someone ordering a whole set (or two)
and not wanting/needing the Sun Lounge and be willing to
sell it (to me of course!) ( :roll: :roll:
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:13 am

Wolf,

I'm sure Scott will hold that line for as long as he can, but it sure would be a winner for him if he decided to sell them separately down the line.

While I like the Sun-Lounge car for its uniqueness, I like the looks of the boat-tail observation car better.

A couple of years ago I got an aluminum body from OK Engines for the Sun-Lounge, but the roof had fluting on it that had to be removed, plus I had to remove every other flute above the windows. It took me weeks to remove but it came out not bad-looking:

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But it's something I would not want to try again, too much work.

I wanted Scott to make the Pullman 10-6 sleeper vice the Budd 10-6, but it would have required a different die because of the fluting differences above the windows. Here's a photo of SAL Portsmouth, a Pullman 10-6 Sleeper:

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It's hard to see in that photo but the roof does have fluting as well.
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Wolf » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:04 pm

Interesting--hard to see the fluting in the photo. I thought that the Pullman-Standard cars all had smooth
roofs. By the time I came on board, Amtrak had mainly Budd 10-6's left. Corrugated roofs galore!
So I guess that a PRB "Palm"-series P-S 10-6 that John imported for the 1951
"Super Chief" that he did would not be useable for your "Silver Meteor"? Hey! It's just a little sanding of
the roof, and you DID mention that you had a little practice in doing that!? :roll: Pardon me, I just couldn't
help myself on that one...

I agree with you that the boat tails just look "right" on the end of a train, but for mid-train lounges, a
Sun Lounge or a Dome Lounge doesn't look too bad.




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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:31 pm

just a little sanding


LOL, more like a lot of grinding. I must have used every tool I had that had an edge on it trying to get those flutes off, especially every other one above the window and the roof curvature.

Here's a closeup of the PORTSMOUTH:

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and a shot of the RICHMOND:

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You can see the fluting in both photos.

It took me years to finally notice the difference between the Budd 10-6 and the Pullman 10-6.
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Wolf » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:39 pm

The most visible and easily noticed difference was the fluteing--P-S had the
two-different-profile fluteing, while Budd had uniform single-profile corrugations
albeit of different sizes/styles for the sides and for the roof. There were other
differences, but more subtle, such as window arrangement and interior arrangement
details that would only be really noted by the car tonks and electricians working
on the cars. They had their preferences, particularly when they had to work
on the prototype test Viewliners during their trials on #66/#67..."Give me
a good ol' Budd 10-6!" was heard on many a night prior to #66's departure as
the Car Department struggled to get the Viewliner working well enough to send
out on the train....won't get into the fine points of where the 10-6 car had the bedrooms
located in relation to the vestibule, and to the roomettes, but that caused differences
between the 10-6 cars as well!
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby E7 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:48 pm

I'm not a buyer, but I am curious. Will these be made of aluminum? Seems they are approaching brass prices. I hope you guys get what you want!

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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby bob turner » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:24 am

Aluminum extrusions. We have been very lucky for the last two decades. I believe inexpensive China imports are about to become a thing of the past. We shall have to re-learn how to make stuff.

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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby Seaboard Air Line Fan » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:58 am

Good stuff Wolf! In addition, I've read that Seaboard had a habit of taking a car and making extensive modifications to it in their own shops. Who knows what kind of issues workers had when running up against things like that.

Rich, they are aluminum and $$$. I'm in for a 6-carset plus one of the RF&P coaches if they make them, but this will be my largest expenditure and most likely the last major purchase I make. I have plenty of engines and rolling stock, I would like to have a 5-6 car set for Atlantic Coast Line, but I doubt I'll ever see one.

I think you're right Bob. Depending on what the new POTUS and Congress do, we may be lucky to see THIS set even made, let alone the cost of getting a set produced. On the other hand, what our government does just might cause China to start behaving more like a global trade partner and help lower/stabilize prices in the whole region. Wishful thinking I'm sure :shock:

Here's a question...Why don't we see more ACF passenger cars? The couple of books I have are peppered with cars built by them.
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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby E7 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:13 pm

Seaboard Air Line Fan wrote:Rich, they are aluminum and $$$. I'm in for a 6-carset plus one of the RF&P coaches if they make them, but this will be my largest expenditure and most likely the last major purchase I make. I have plenty of engines and rolling stock, I would like to have a 5-6 car set for Atlantic Coast Line, but I doubt I'll ever see one.

I think you're right Bob. Depending on what the new POTUS and Congress do, we may be lucky to see THIS set even made, let alone the cost of getting a set produced. On the other hand, what our government does just might cause China to start behaving more like a global trade partner and help lower/stabilize prices in the whole region. Wishful thinking I'm sure :shock:

Here's a question...Why don't we see more ACF passenger cars? The couple of books I have are peppered with cars built by them.


Bob, The aluminum cars are nice.....much better than ABS (opinion) and worth the $$$ if they are correct.

As far as everything being made in China, this country better wake up and bring some manufacturing back state side. (opinion)

For any proper passenger train you definitely need an observation!

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Re: GGD Silver Meteor Design Phase Begins!!!

Postby bob turner » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:45 pm

Tell us about ACF? Were they mostly smooth side? This Seaboard extrusion is going to be so esoteric - I personally had no idea that Pullman made corrugated roofs. I was only aware of the innies and outies. These cannot work for very many other railroads.

I maybe agree that observations are neat, but I never cared for the Budd design above. I may some day bend one up like the Sunset, a relatively blunt ended car. I do have the Daylight Obs and several smooth side cars from K- Line and blank extrusions.

I should show you my Squaw Creek obs -recently popped out of the paint shop. Maybe when I master Flickr.


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