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Re: vaccine

Postby robert. » Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:05 pm

CDC claims hospitalization for children is uncommon. Where i live we have a population of 600,000. Our county health department reports 7 people in ICU with covid and 43 in need of hospitalization.
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Re: vaccine

Postby Neil » Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:14 pm

Last estimate of children dead from COVID is about 500. Uncommon but that is 500 grieving families. 1000s of people whose lives are devastated.
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Re: vaccine

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:56 pm

robert. wrote:CDC claims hospitalization for children is uncommon. Where i live we have a population of 600,000. Our county health department reports 7 people in ICU with covid and 43 in need of hospitalization.


State of VA is now at the highest ICU bed count since the beginning of the pandemic.........Utah is rationing healthcare access.....uncommon is a relative term......doesn't equate with never or rare or whatever you're striving to believe or deny.....it happens, and it's never good to see you child in the hospital for any reason.
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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:58 pm

It appears that what is happening now is because of this delta variant or whatever they call it because it is more contagious.

It was almost like the pandemic was over. They closed all the hospital wards in Springfield because they had no patients. Then 3 months later they had to open them up again.

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Re: vaccine

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:26 pm

HONDO74 wrote:It appears that what is happening now is because of this delta variant or whatever they call it because it is more contagious


Transmission rates are much higher, and it's hitting all ages more efficiently.

It was almost like the pandemic was over. They closed all the hospital wards in Springfield because they had no patients. Then 3 months later they had to open them up again.


Except it never was over since way too many were still unvaccinated; yet way too many people unwisely decided otherwise and continue to deny this is real, and that getting vaccinated is in one's best interest. Premature celebration, bad behavior, the embracing of obvious certain stupidity, and we're back to where we were many months ago.
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Re: vaccine

Postby robert. » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:34 pm

There’s a a new problem that will pop up. I hear people claiming they want nothing to do with a booster. Soon triple vaxers will look down on double vaxers.
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Postby HONDO74 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:44 pm

Psaki grilled on why migrants aren't required to be vaccinated but foreign nationals who fly are
Psaki says migrants crossing southern border and foreign nationals arriving by air 'not the same thing'

White House press secretary Jen Psaki responded to questions as to why migrants are not required to be vaccinated against COVID-19 before entry to the United States, but foreign nationals who arrive by airplane are, saying that the situations are not comparable.

During the White House press briefing, Psaki was asked why those migrants crossing the U.S. southern border are not asked for proof of vaccination.

"As individuals come across the border, they are both assessed for whether they have any symptoms, if they have symptoms, the intention is for them to have to be quarantined," Psaki said, referring to migrants crossing into the U.S. "That is our process."

When pressed further, Psaki said the situations could not be compared.

"They are not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time," she said. "I don’t think it’s the same thing. It is not the same thing."

Quote "They are not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time.
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Re: vaccine

Postby Neil » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:01 pm

If a booster proves desirable and necessary, everyone will probably get a booster eventually.. Necessary and desirable for several infection related issues such as tetanus, influenza and to prevent shingles, for examples. Not rocket science :).
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Postby gregj410 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:39 pm

"They are not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time," she said.


Right....I mean why would you stay in this shit hole country for any period of time when you can live in the desert where you don’t have 2 sticks to rub together. :lol:

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Re: vaccine

Postby gregj410 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:41 pm

Neil wrote:If a booster proves desirable and necessary, everyone will probably get a booster eventually.. Necessary and desirable for several infection related issues such as tetanus, influenza and to prevent shingles, for examples. Not rocket science :).


Every 3 months? Doubtful

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Postby MartyE » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:36 am

I'm pretty sure the CDC has stated if you watched the Emmy's you no longer have to wear a mask...LOL!
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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:45 pm

Johnson & Johnson says booster dose of its COVID shot prompts strong response
https://www.ky3.com/2021/09/21/jj-boost ... -response/

By Associated Press
Published: Sep. 21, 2021 at 6:20 AM UTC|Updated: 5 hours ago

LONDON (AP) — Johnson & Johnson said Tuesday that a booster of its one-shot coronavirus vaccine provides a stronger immune response months after people receive a first dose.

J&J said in a statement that an extra dose — given either two months or six months after the initial shot — revved up protection. The results haven’t yet been published or vetted by other scientists.

The J&J vaccine was considered an important tool in fighting the pandemic because it requires only one shot. But even as rollout began in the U.S. and elsewhere, the company already was running a global test of whether a two-dose course might be more effective — the second dose given 56 days after the first.

That two-dose approach was 75% effective globally at preventing moderate to severe COVID-19, and 95% effective in the U.S. alone, the company reported — a difference likely due to which variants were circulating in different countries during the monthslong study.

Examined a different way, the company said when people got a second J&J shot two months after the first, levels of virus-fighting antibodies rose four to six times higher. But giving a booster dose six months after the first J&J shot yielded a 12-fold increase.

While the single-dose vaccine remains strongly effective, “a booster shot further increases protection against COVID-19 and is expected to extend the duration of protection significantly,” Dr. Paul Stoffels, J&J’s chief scientific officer, said in a statement.

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Re: vaccine

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:35 am

MartyE wrote:I'm pretty sure the CDC has stated if you watched the Emmy's you no longer have.........


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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:00 am

The New York Times
Moderna vs. Pfizer: Both Knockouts, but One Seems to Have the Edge
https://news.yahoo.com/moderna-vs-pfize ... 10753.html

It was a constant refrain from federal health officials after the coronavirus vaccines were authorized: These shots are all equally effective.

That has turned out not to be true.

Roughly 221 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine have been dispensed thus far in the United States, compared with about 150 million doses of Moderna’s vaccine. In a half-dozen studies published over the past few weeks, Moderna’s vaccine appeared to be more protective than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in the months after immunization.

The latest such study, published Wednesday in The New England Journal of Medicine, evaluated the real-world effectiveness of the vaccines at preventing symptomatic illness in about 5,000 health care workers in 25 states. The study found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had an effectiveness of 88.8%, compared with Moderna’s 96.3%.

If the efficacy gap continues to widen, it may have implications for the debate on booster shots. Federal agencies this week are evaluating the need for a third shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for some high-risk groups, including older adults.

Scientists who were initially skeptical of the reported differences between the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines have slowly become convinced that the disparity is small but real.

“Our baseline assumption is that the mRNA vaccines are functioning similarly, but then you start to see a separation,” said Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at Emory University in Atlanta. “It’s not a huge difference, but at least it’s consistent.”


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