WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby rogruth » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:37 pm

Murph,
Yes.
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Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:41 pm

Cool. Thanks!

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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby chuck » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:14 pm

The requirement for electrics predates the fill in. There was a horrendous wreck in the run to the open air station that mandated the electrics. The 1902 accident lead to the passage of a law banning steam south of the Harlem River by 1908. Some of the electrics were in use in the 2nd version of Grand Central (current Terminal is version 3). GG1's were late to the party, box cabs did most of the work for the first 20 years.
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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:40 pm

That's the term I was trying to recall - box cabs. Were "rats" a part of that motive power family, too, or is that just a term used for some of the toy train models?

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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby webenda » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:24 pm

chuck wrote:The requirement for electrics predates the fill in. There was a horrendous wreck in the run to the open air station that mandated the electrics. The 1902 accident lead to the passage of a law banning steam south of the Harlem River by 1908.


Having already found success with the world's first main line electrification project in Baltimore in 1895, ALCO and General Electric were tasked with designing a new locomotive for the project with Alco building the engine and GE supplying the electrical equipment. The initial prototype locomotive, delivered as Class L #6000, was in the 1-D-1 configuration with 4 gearless "bi-polar" type traction motors which used the axle shaft as the motor armature. Between October 1904 and July 1906 #6000 racked up 50,000 miles in test on a track near both Alco and GE plants in Schenectady, New York.

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The advantages of the new locomotive were striking. It was only half the length of a standard steam locomotive with tender and weighed only two thirds as much, but could provide more power, especially when starting trains on steep grades. The locomotive required no turntable and could be reversed for service in the opposite direction in a matter of seconds. With the tests complete an order was placed for 34 additional locomotives to be delivered in the 3400 series and classed T-2 with the original being re-classed T-1.

Unfortunately, two days into the new electric service in 1907 a train led by two T-2 class locomotives number 3407 and 3421 derailed on a curve on the Harlem Line killing 24 and injuring 140.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Central_S-Motor
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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:28 am

Very interesting information, Wayne.

My only indulgence anywhere near that genre of locomotive has been this 3rdRail scale brass model photographed at the station. Sure is quiet!
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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby chuck » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:03 am

The photo in the link

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SHows the new Terminal in the upper left. That's Park Avenue running diagonally across the picture and the "holes" are the upper level train yard before the developers started filling. Original station was considered "in the boonies" at the time (1870's) (42nd street!).

Even the PRR started making changes to Penn Station before the wrecking crews took over in the 60's. This is what the main concourse looked like at the time of the opening in 1910.

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It didn't take to long for someone to realize that the open space could be filled in with more of the glass tile flooring to provide additional retail space:)

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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:18 am

Do you suppose, in the Park Avenue photo, that tall building on the right is the Waldorf Astoria, which would mean we are looking northward, or am I way off in my perspective?

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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby rogruth » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:26 am

I;m not sure but I think the tracks go into GC from the north.
If so I think that would be facing south.
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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:30 am

Ohyeah, you're right. So that would not be the Waldorf.

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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby chuck » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:44 am

No Waldorf, no NYC building, not much of anything at this point in time. Photo is looking south.
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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby Roy » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:46 am

Paris Gare de l'est station:

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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:43 pm

chuck wrote:No Waldorf, no NYC building, not much of anything at this point in time. Photo is looking south.

You are a gentleman who speaks with authority, Chuck, which is something I have always appreciated about conversing with you. My compliments to you. sir.
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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby chuck » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:41 pm

Thanks but you've got the nice layout! I'm just happy to see the work that you, George, Christopher, et al do.
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Re: WAITING FOR THE TRAIN

Postby E7 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:55 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:That's the term I was trying to recall - box cabs. Were "rats" a part of that motive power family, too, or is that just a term used for some of the toy train models?


B1 Rats were used for switching cars at places like Sunnyside yard.


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