Climate Change Lawsuit

[rogruth]

Whenever they say that, I stop listening because that's when they are lying.

Some say that is when their mouths are moving.

On many, their mouths do not move at all - puppets and marrionettes

Rufus,
It would be interesting, at least to me, to hear of some of your experiences,
both good and bad, while working for the gummint but that might not be safe for you.
I'm sure there are others here on MTJ that had similar experiences. You have had
events occur on which your opinion are based. Mine were in education and I have
many strong opinions about todays system. Unfortunately I can do nothing about
anything in education just as I apparently can do nothing about political events.
I have always voted since I became 21, voting age at that time, in 1955. At first
I believed what most pols said about improving our country for the betterment of
the people but slowly, yes, slowly, learned that most were only interested in the
betterment of themselves. I don't think I will ever recover from that.
Roush rambles again. Thank you.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Some say that is when their mouths are moving.

On many, their mouths do not move at all - puppets and marrionettes

Rufus,
It would be interesting, at least to me, to hear of some of your experiences,
both good and bad, while working for the gummint but that might not be safe for you.
I'm sure there are others here on MTJ that had similar experiences. You have had
events occur on which your opinion are based. Mine were in education and I have
many strong opinions about todays system. Unfortunately I can do nothing about
anything in education just as I apparently can do nothing about political events.
I have always voted since I became 21, voting age at that time, in 1955. At first
I believed what most pols said about improving our country for the betterment of
the people but slowly, yes, slowly, learned that most were only interested in the
betterment of themselves. I don't think I will ever recover from that.
Roush rambles again. Thank you.

For starters there was a very good bit on the morning TV about the median worth of our Congressmen and how many of them suddenly became millionaires (Dems and Repubs alike) while in office. They only passed restrictions against insider trading a few years ago, but their families were not covered (unlike Fed employees...). Instead of representing you, they are making money off insider information.....and then they get re-elected to make more for themselves while telling you that they are taking care of the common man - no, they are taking care of themselves.

[rex desilets]

The perfidy of many people in Congress goes back to the Revolution. Don't mislead yourselves into thinking that current band of thieves are a suddenly worse lot.

[E7]

The statement that pretty much rings true for the bulk of them is: If they weren't a crook when they went in, they are by the time they leave. The Fox guarding the Hen house conundrum.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Rising sea levels seem to be happening at a pretty significant rate already.

For example: Just ask New Orleans and Venice about what they have been experiencing and constructing to fight.

[HONDO74]

Half of New Orleans is below sea level, humans sank it:
https://www.nola.com/environment/2018/0 ... ns_is.html

French settlers built New Orleans on a natural high point along the Mississippi River about 300 years ago. The land beyond that natural levee was swamp and marsh. It would take more than a hundred years for settlers to figure out how to drain the swamp. In the process, they'd sink New Orleans.

In a story on The Atlantic, Tulane University geographer Richard Campanella details how New Orleans was transformed from marsh to a city dependent on levees, canals and steam-driven pumps. One French settler described the city 300 years ago as "nothing more than two narrow strips of land, about a musket shot in width," surrounded by "canebrake (and) impenetrable marsh."



Venice has battled rising water levels since the fifth century. But today, the water seems to be winning. Several factors, both natural and man-made, cause Venice to flood about 100 times a year — usually from October until late winter — a phenomenon called the acqua alta.

Venice sits atop sediments deposited at the ancient mouth of the Po River, which are still compacting and settling. Early industrial projects, such as offshore piers and the railroad bridge to the mainland, affected the sea floor and tidal cycles in ways that made the city more vulnerable to flooding. Twentieth-century industry worsened things by pumping out massive amounts of groundwater from the aquifer beneath the lagoon for nearly 50 years before the government stopped the practice in the 1970s. In the last century, Venice has sunk by about nine inches.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Interesting input, HONDO, Thank you.
So, there they sit, with the sea level rise coming their way.
I was impressed (I saw a TV-special tonight about the ten biggest inventions that affected the overall growth of the USA, like cross-continental railroads, superhighways, canals, steel bridges, the dam across the Colorado, etc.) with what has been built already against hurricanes, for/in/around New Orleans, recently, and is anticipated to help against rising seas (?)

[rogruth]

I agree that there is climate change. I do NOT agree that it is the fault of man.
What is our fault is blaming climate change on so many different things instead of doing anything that can be done.
After every hurricane or high tide there is beach erosion. But that is OK. We will just spen several bazzillion dollars
the beachies can keep their property. They never knew anything like that could happen to them.

Is snide the right word?.

[E7]

Could it be possible that some of the places that men choose to build are NOT the most ideal?

That's not really a question, it's sarcasm. Don't build in a flood plane and come crying when you are flooded out. Don't build on the side of Mt. Saint Helens and complain if you get blown up! You get the idea!

There were some excellent programs on New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, and a lot of the blame (if not all) was put on man. Actions of the Army Corps of Engineers and removal of vegetation from waters bordering the Gulf that had previously prevented storm surge.

Read my catch phrase!

Rich

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Could it be possible that some of the places that men choose to build are NOT the most ideal?

That's not really a question, it's sarcasm. Don't build in a flood plane and come crying when you are flooded out. ...Rich

For millennia, man has built along rivers and seas and oceans, for obvious reasons. We need water, and we eat fish. Travel. Trade. (I am not being sarcastic in reply to your points, just historically practical in my perspective.) In fact, sometimes, the flooding has been an advantage. The Nile comes to mind. Its flooding created - was absolutely need for - better soil for farming.

The Tiber. Ganges. Mississippi. Hwang Ho. Tigris. Euphrates. Ohio. And so on. All places where humans gravitated for life itself.
Rome. Paris. NYC. Tokyo. Can anybody even name an ancient capital city not on a river, lake, sea, or at the ocean?

Jesus' Baptism. The Apostles were fishermen.

[rogruth]

Could it be possible that some of the places that men choose to build are NOT the most ideal?

That's not really a question, it's sarcasm. Don't build in a flood plane and come crying when you are flooded out. Don't build on the side of Mt. Saint Helens and complain if you get blown up! You get the idea!

There were some excellent programs on New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, and a lot of the blame (if not all) was put on man. Actions of the Army Corps of Engineers and removal of vegetation from waters bordering the Gulf that had previously prevented storm surge.

Read my catch phrase!

Rich

I agree. But those man made changes were because a man wanted them and didn't care for what nature wanted.

[E7]

And sometimes man pays the price for his actions.

[rogruth]

And sometimes man pays the price for his actions.

I agree. But we want it our way.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

And sometimes man pays the price for his actions.

Yeah.

[v8vega]

If sea levels are rising why can't you get southern Calif beach front property cheap?