Climate Change Lawsuit

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I'm all for renewable energy. Car, truck, boat, tractor, generator; they run out of gas, I put more in, and they are renewed!

At what price per gallon will that no longer be true?

It will always be true for me, and price won't matter. Ya need gas? Ya put it in. Right now there is a world glut of oil and while some of it can be attributed to over production, I prefer to believe much comes from decreased use. Realize how much more efficient vehicles are today verse 10 years ago. USA reserves are chock full right now, and the world price of oil has fallen nearly $30 a barrel in the past month or so.

Yes, the price per barrel is down a lot -- I hope you are correct that the reserves are fully stocked. I would hope that they are buying and overstocking since it would be not unexpected that the production might suddenly slow down by the middle east just to jerk us around and show us who has control over the supply.

Plus I know that you just like to be argumentative; showing your nose in the air doctorate elitism over the rest of us mere mortals.

You've just managed to demonstrate that you really know almost nothing at all now. I asked a simple question that you are unable to legitimately answer. When gas pushed over $4 around here large numbers stopped driving and moved to public transportation to the point that the systems were tested to their capacity limits. If the price of gas doesn't matter to you, then you have nothing to complain about regarding income, or the economy of this country.

[rogruth]

The thing that stops many from using public transport is that for many of us there isn't any.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

The thing that stops many from using public transport is that for many of us there isn't any.

Indeed. And then what do you do - not everyone has unlimited funds for gas.....

[HONDO74]

I wonder if these young people would consider the same lawsuit against China.

China-backed coal projects prompt climate change fears
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46310807

As levels of greenhouse gases reach a new record, concerns are growing about the role of China in global warming.

For years, the increase in the number of Chinese coal-fired power stations has been criticised.

Now environmental groups say China is also backing dozens of coal projects far beyond its borders.

Coal is the most damaging of the fossil fuels because of the quantity of carbon dioxide it releases when it's burned.

Last year, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere reached its highest level for the past 3-5 million years, according to the latest research by the UN's weather agency, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO).

And last month the UN's climate science panel said that coal must be phased out by 2050 if the world is to have any chance of limiting the rise in temperatures.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

When our Commander-n-hair-do was asked as he stood among the cinders and remaining rubble, in California, if the fire(s) made him reconsider what he thought about Global Warning, the Hair-do said, "No. We're going to have great climate."

I was embarrassed.
For us.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I wonder if these young people would consider the same lawsuit against China.

Silly question when you and they already know that such an action has zero value pursuing in China - it's a totalitarian dictatorship that does whatever it really wants under the guise of calling itself what it is this week.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

When our Commander-n-hair-do was asked as he stood among the cinders and remaining rubble, in California, if the fire(s) made him reconsider what he thought about Global Warning, the Hair-do said, "No. We're going to have great climate."

I was embarrassed.
For us.

Have no fear and wait a day - I'm sure that he will say and do something worse to overshadow it and make you forget about it.

[HONDO74]

NJ to allocate $2.1M in aid for illegal immigrants facing deportation, governor says

New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy announced Monday that the Garden State would set aside more than $2 million to provide legal aid for low-income illegal immigrants facing deportation.

New Jersey joins other Democrat-controlled states like New York and California that offer legal help to illegal immigrants. Last year, a public-private partnership to help immigrants was announced in New York, whose immigrants are detained at Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in New Jersey's Bergen and Hudson counties.

State Sen. Kristen Corrado said she's concerned about Murphy constraining Legal Services' ability to help residents, including seniors and veterans, by requiring the organization spend on immigration aid.

"When Legal Services already turns away many people who are desperate for help due to resource limitations, we shouldn't limit how new funding can be used," she said.

Assemblyman John DiMaio was more critical, saying that state funds should not be used toward immigrants in the country illegally when school funding is a constant concern.

Chia-Chia Wang, the director of organizing and advocacy at the American Friends Service Committee estimates that there are roughly 1,200 people detained in New Jersey. The Pew Research Center estimates that New Jersey has about 500,000 immigrants who are in the country illegally.

And our Commander-n-hair-do didn't create this problem, it has been going on for years. Just like California's problem with fires.

[HONDO74]

The environmentalist control California not global warming. The same thing was going back in the 60s and 70s when I lived there

California Fires Reignite Forest Thinning Debate

"Our forests are detonating like napalm bombs. We need to remove dead and dying bug-killed timber," said Rep. Wally Herger, R-Calif.

Is this Monday-morning quarterbacking spurred by the wildfires now raging in California? Hardly.

Rep. Herger uttered those words in August 1994 as part of his demand that Congress declare a state of emergency in federal forests to permit quick removal of dead trees, fallen branches and other debris that fuel wildfires -- like those that burned 3 million Western acres and killed 14 firefighters that year.

A spokesman for the Natural Resources Defense Council (search) responded at the time by calling Rep. Herger’s demand “a pretext for accelerated logging in the Sierra Nevada.”

Nine years later, though, Rep. Herger’s demand is looking pretty prescient.

Over 700,000 acres have burned so far this year in California alone, along with the loss of 20 lives and more than 2,600 homes destroyed. Last year, wildfires burned nearly 7 million acres, killed 23 firefighters, destroyed more than 800 homes and cost taxpayers more than $1.5 billion.

So what do the environmentalists have to say?

A spokesperson for the Natural Resources Defense Council called President Bush’s proposed plan to prevent forest fires by thinning excess growth “a Trojan horse” for sneaking through logging (search) projects.

As the Western forests burn -- and people die and homes are destroyed -- environmentalists and their political allies in Congress only seem concerned that some “old growth” trees may be cut in the process of thinning the nation’s tinder traps. Their nonsensical opposition to thinning only makes it easier for wildfires to spread out of control.

That’s positively cuckoo.

"We need to do some active management to prevent unnatural fire" that occurs as a result of dense underbrush and trees built up over decades, U.S. Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth says. "If that means cutting a 14-foot [diameter] Sequoia, that's reasonable [to do to] prevent fire."

[rex desilets]

On cutting a giant Sequoia, Bosworth is full of fecal matter.
And, I;m no environmentalist wacko.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

"Our forests are detonating like napalm bombs. We need to remove dead and dying bug-killed timber," said Rep. Wally Herger, R-Calif.

Is this Monday-morning quarterbacking spurred by the wildfires now raging in California? Hardly.

Rep. Herger uttered those words in August 1994 as part of his demand that Congress declare a state of emergency in federal forests to permit quick removal of dead trees, fallen branches and other debris that fuel wildfires -- like those that burned 3 million Western acres and killed 14 firefighters that year.

It's not a terribly bad idea other than the fact that if you do this then they aren't forests anymore but they become reduced to just being controlled parks.

Only a few things dubious about this which make me wonder if anybody has actually ever really been in a forest and (1) cut trees or (2) cleared brush. I've lost track of the number of trees I've cut down and acres of brush cleared.

It's very time consuming and if you want the Gov't to do it at any level (wait, you want another Gov't program?) it's going to cost a lot of man hours (years, probably.....) which translates to a lot of money. So, where are you going to put it all - "dead trees, fallen branches and other debris" -- how are you going to move it all? Who's going to do all the work? Does anybody ever bother to think anything through or is it all just shoot from the hip and either applaud or boo?

Maybe it might be better thinking about why states let folks live in areas that are prone to fires, flooding, hurricane beach destruction, mudslides (curious how those get prevented w/o those same dead trees, fallen branches and other debris)\, etc. But why not just close off these areas from development stupidity? We all end up paying for the rebuilding through taxes and insurance that gets tacked onto our increases. Enough already!

[HONDO74]

Rufus, up into the early 90s they used to do a lot of logging that helped a lot and the money derived from the lumber paid for it. The areas were cleared and replanted. The logging got curtailed by the environmentalist because it was the habitat of the spotted owl. Unfortunately when the fire rips through the forest the creature all die.

Oh but the logging companies also derived money from the operation. That's another problem for environmentalist

[HONDO74]

On cutting a giant Sequoia, Bosworth is full of fecal matter.
And, I;m no environmentalist wacko.

This is an interesting read. I even learned something.
How Sequoias Survive Wildfires, in Yosemite and Beyond
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/new ... y-science/

In 1970 we bought a cabin on the eastern slope of the High Sierra's in whats called the June Lake Loop. All of us in that area kept our places cleared. 4 lakes on the loop. June lake, Gull lake, Silver lake and Grant lake. Grant lake is part of the Owens Valley water supply for Los Angeles. It was around 72/73 that the lake was almost dry because it had been depleted for water to Los Angeles. We went through a drought back then. In southern Calif we were only allowed to water our yards on certain days.

What's going on in Calif right now is nothing new, it's been going on for years. The difference now is that when I left there were 20 million people living in Calif. Now there are 40 million. A lot more buildings to burn and more people to kill...

[MurphOnMillerAve]

When I see News of such conflagrations, I wonder if the terrorists are paying attention and getting "ideas." I'm serious.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

When I see News of such conflagrations, I wonder if the terrorists are paying attention and getting "ideas." I'm serious.

We don't need terrorists to act in this country; we're doing a great job of inflicting it all on ourselves, thank you very much.