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Re: Electric cars

Postby ScaleCraft » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:12 pm

gregj410 wrote:
I looked in to getting one 2 years ago but when the dealer told me I should not charge the batteries in the garage overnight because it could possible start a fire I gave up.


Most all of the people I see with EV’s have them charging in the garage. The ones that don’t are charging outside but still close enough to burn down everything around it if it did catch on fire.

Other than a person that drives infrequently what is the real upside to owning an EV?

Bragging rights. Media tends to not report anything but really spectacular issues with EV's.

Had two Teslaes go up near my brother, took the houses out, never made the news.
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Re: Electric cars

Postby robert. » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:25 am

SEPTA. Spent 24 mill on EV buses. They lasted 6 month . All but two were removed from service. Last week they ( EV buses) caught fire in SEPTA’s bone yard.
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Re: Electric cars

Postby Chris Webster » Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:00 am

gregj410 wrote:Other than a person that drives infrequently what is the real upside to owning an EV?
As I said earlier, if you can charge at home the EV at home then it's incredibly convenient to fuel and cheap to operate.

Driving is a different than a gas car. Since there's no gas engine, there is no engine noise or vibration, which is something I like. Other people like the sound of performance engines in muscle cars which I can appreciate, but I now enjoy hearing those muscle car engines behind me as I out accelerate them. :lol:

Many EVs have front trunks ("frunks") where the engine would be; Ford and Tesla have started putting drain plugs in their frunks so you can fill them with ice and use them as a big cooler, which is probably great for tailgating. The no gas engine also means that there is no waste heat from the internal combustion process, which is nice in the summertime but bad for the EV's range in winter - the EV has to run an electric heater to keep the windows defrosted and cabin warm while the gas car can just use the waste heat from the engine for defrosting and warming the cabin. For me, the diminished range in winter would only be an issue on out-of-town roadtrips because I charge at home and so I'm starting each day with the equivalent of a full fuel tank.

EVs use regenerative braking which captures the kinetic energy and uses it to recharge the batteries, so EVs don't need their brake pads changed as frequently as on a gas car. On the other hand, EV tires do supposedly wear out faster because EVs are generally heavier than similar gas cars.

My understanding is that most of the EV trucks can be optionally equipped so that their battery packs can serve as big generators putting out 220 volts. Ford has a proprietary charger that lets their electric F150 power a house when the electrical power to the house goes out - it the truck is plugged into the charger when the house loses power the system instantly switches the house over to the truck. Apparently Ford's extended range battery pack in the pickup is big enough to run a typical house, with air conditioning, for 2 or 3 weeks. I think you can also use the Rivians, GMs and Cybertrucks to power your house if you have a generator plug and switch - you just have to plug the truck into the house's generator plug.

Several weeks after Hurricane Helene hit Georgia, I stopped to charge my EV at a charging station at a Walmart near Augusta. Although it was several weeks after the Hurricane, electrical power was still out to most residences. The electrical power had been restored to the Walmart and charging station because they are critical infrastructure - part of the parking lot was setup as a relief center and there was a line of porta potties out in front of the store. I also remember that most people coming out of the store had carts full of bottled water. Some of the other drivers at the charging station told me they were sleeping in their EVs at night because they could run the A/C on their EV 24 hours a day for multiple days before they had to return to recharge.

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Re: Electric cars

Postby up148 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:25 am

My son has had two EV's in the past few years, only kept them a few months and then sold them. He said both were a lot of fun to drive around locally, but he just liked gas cars more. He's a Porsche guy, so the last one was a Macan. Had simulated exhaust and all the whistles and bells, but only lasted 3 months before going bye-bye. Cost $300-500 to wire a house up, so he certainly didn't save anything by only keeping them a short while.

I laugh at the tiny clown cars you see driving around today.....death traps in any accident. But, my laughter turns to disdain when they drive in the fast lane (under or at the speed limit) holding everyone up and making normal drivers go around them.

I felt the same way about the Volkswagen bugs back in the 60's and 70's. Many jerk owners would pull out in front of a line of traffic, sometimes going up hills and cause everyone to hit the brakes until their "bug" got up to speed. Saw lots of them in college, but it was always the ugly girls, geeky guys and all around attention seekers who went for the bugs. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Electric cars

Postby Norton » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:35 pm

School districts around here have bought a few electric school buses. Last winter they wouldn’t start on the cold mornings. They are now rethinking that idea. A lot of folks had the same problem with their EVs too.

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Re: Electric cars

Postby gregj410 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:30 pm

Chris Webster wrote:
gregj410 wrote:Other than a person that drives infrequently what is the real upside to owning an EV?
As I said earlier, if you can charge at home the EV at home then it's incredibly convenient to fuel and cheap to operate.

Driving is a different than a gas car. Since there's no gas engine, there is no engine noise or vibration, which is something I like. Other people like the sound of performance engines in muscle cars which I can appreciate, but I now enjoy hearing those muscle car engines behind me as I out accelerate them. :lol:

Many EVs have front trunks ("frunks") where the engine would be; Ford and Tesla have started putting drain plugs in their frunks so you can fill them with ice and use them as a big cooler, which is probably great for tailgating. The no gas engine also means that there is no waste heat from the internal combustion process, which is nice in the summertime but bad for the EV's range in winter - the EV has to run an electric heater to keep the windows defrosted and cabin warm while the gas car can just use the waste heat from the engine for defrosting and warming the cabin. For me, the diminished range in winter would only be an issue on out-of-town roadtrips because I charge at home and so I'm starting each day with the equivalent of a full fuel tank.

EVs use regenerative braking which captures the kinetic energy and uses it to recharge the batteries, so EVs don't need their brake pads changed as frequently as on a gas car. On the other hand, EV tires do supposedly wear out faster because EVs are generally heavier than similar gas cars.

My understanding is that most of the EV trucks can be optionally equipped so that their battery packs can serve as big generators putting out 220 volts. Ford has a proprietary charger that lets their electric F150 power a house when the electrical power to the house goes out - it the truck is plugged into the charger when the house loses power the system instantly switches the house over to the truck. Apparently Ford's extended range battery pack in the pickup is big enough to run a typical house, with air conditioning, for 2 or 3 weeks. I think you can also use the Rivians, GMs and Cybertrucks to power your house if you have a generator plug and switch - you just have to plug the truck into the house's generator plug.

Several weeks after Hurricane Helene hit Georgia, I stopped to charge my EV at a charging station at a Walmart near Augusta. Although it was several weeks after the Hurricane, electrical power was still out to most residences. The electrical power had been restored to the Walmart and charging station because they are critical infrastructure - part of the parking lot was setup as a relief center and there was a line of porta potties out in front of the store. I also remember that most people coming out of the store had carts full of bottled water. Some of the other drivers at the charging station told me they were sleeping in their EVs at night because they could run the A/C on their EV 24 hours a day for multiple days before they had to return to recharge.


Who knew? Enlightening, however I can’t see where any of the stated perks would ever push me over the edge to buy an EV. For me personally I could never imagine that I’d have to drive a given distance before I’d have to charge my car for longer than it would take me to fill up a combustion engine car. I could see it being great for my wife who hates pumping gas. However would she plug it in when it would need a charge? Who knows? I’m sure after a while it feels like a chore to plug your car in every day. And what about how inexpensive they are to operate? Does that catch up to you when it’s time for service or new batteries? I’ve heard re sale on EV’s in not to hot due to potential battery wear/replacement. I’d have to say for me the answer is not now but not never.

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Re: Electric cars

Postby robert. » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:29 pm

Not many shops can do brakes on a Tesla.
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