Coronavirus:

[gregj410]

I believe Murph is referring to casual contact, not intentionally trying to infect someone.

[chuck]

I believe Murph is referring to casual contact, not intentionally trying to infect someone.

If someone KNOWS they are infected either by symptoms or positive test than they are not supposed to be engaging in casual contact. If they do then they are engaging in depraved indifference. If you park your car on a hill and fail to cut the wheels, set the brake, lock the tranny and it rolls down hill and kills someone you can and probably will be charged with depraved indifference even though you did not have the intent to kill anyone. All of that info is in the driver instruction manual of every state so you will have a hard time pleading "I didn't know". You can try to plead I'm an a*hole and forgot or never read the book but the courts won't be too impressed/sympathetic.

If they honestly don't know (asymptomatic) then they can try to argue that they were not engaged in "depraved indifference" and leave their fate in the hands of a jury. Not sure how easy a sell that would be or what the penalty for "regular indifference" is, i.e. I don't really give a sh*t about anyone else.

[gregj410]

If someone KNOWS they are infected either by symptoms or positive test than they are not supposed to be engaging in casual contact. If they do then they are engaging in depraved indifference.

I believe in common courtesy, if your sick don’t risk getting others sick, stay home. I realize many don’t operate the same way. We are a family of 5 and 2 of my kids work, one at an early head start day care the other at Old Navy. If one gets sick we likely will all get sick. My son stayed with us 4th of July weekend, he had something. Tested negative for covid and strep. All but me and my daughter came down with a cold, fever, headache, cough. That being said your walking a slippery slope with ‘symptoms’. No one ‘knows’ unless they get tested and then it becomes a different story. I can have covid symptoms and have the flu or a common cold. So how is it you think someone can somehow be held liable for infecting another person with one virus but not another?

So based on your theory shouldn’t we be able to hold ‘liable’ the Federal’s government for every illegal they dump in a town near you that has never been tested or vaccinated?

[chuck]

a) I haven't seen "common courtesy" in many years.

b) This isn't" my theory" it's what's been happening in the courts at various levels for many years. Remember, you don't go to jail for breaking the law, you go to jail for getting caught. Prosecutors will charge people with all kinds of sh*t and try them and sometimes lose. Attorneys will sue people for all kinds of sh*t and sometimes lose. We are a country of a vast amount of laws but of increasing lower and lower amounts of justice. This is partially because the laws are written BY the people in power FOR the people in power. This is also because common sense is in even shorter supply than common decency.

c) Passing a COVID test is only valid at that specific point in time. You could be exposed just before the test and pass because the virus hasn't had time to infect you. If you want to be sure you ahve to be screening/testing on a daily basis. Fat chance.

d) Everyone has two choices to avoid the disease. One, mask up, social distance, wash your hands. Two, take the vaccine and avoid possible contact with infected people for at least two weeks after the second shot. I guess a third option is to go live in the woods or the desert and avoid all human contact.

No one wants to do option one for any length of time and the folks that would be comfortable with option three have already done so for other reasons. The ones that choose door number two will be pretty well protected and will also be protecting others in the community. Everyone else is risking getting much worse versions of the disease as it continues to mutate. This is rapidly becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Someone posted a cartoon about you can't cure stupid but the caption was the virus stating "I can".

This is a war with an enemy that doesn't care what anybody thinks or believes. It's only reason for existence is to too breed. It is doing very well at this, much better than anyone anticipated. The rest of the planet is in awe of our collective massive stupidity. We have access to multiple highly effective vaccines yet we have (in some places) some of the lowest rates of vaccination and for the lamest reasons.

Since this is turning into a pandemic of the unvaccinated it may very well self correct in the next few months with a fourth wave and another sh*tload of dead people both from the virus and from the diversion of health care resources to treat the stupid while allowing the injured and sick to die. I feel sorry for the folks that actually can't get vaccinated (imuno compromised) and the very young. They are paying the price for the stupid. BTW, these aren't my words, the governor of Alabama (Republican Kay Ivey) said pretty much the same thing this past weekend.

[robert.]

What are the death numbers for the very young? I have not heard these mentioned.

[chuck]

From WSJ

The good news: Children are at an extremely low risk of dying from Covid-19, according to some of the most comprehensive studies to date, which looked at data from the United Kingdom. Children are also at low risk of developing serious disease, researchers said. Between 0.1% and 1.9% of the child cases result in hospitalizations, the AAP says.

The bad news: Some children are developing severe cases. So far, more than 16,000 children in the U.S. have been hospitalized and more than 300 have died. Children who are infected are also at risk for a rare condition, called multisystem inflammatory syndrome, involving the inflammation of various body parts. About 4,100 of these cases in children have been reported in the U.S., according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Children who are infected are also at risk for a rare condition, called multisystem inflammatory syndrome,

Popped up last year. Nasty and scary both. Odds might be low, but who gambles with their children

[gregj410]

BTW, these aren't my words, the governor of Alabama (Republican Kay Ivey) said pretty much the same thing this past weekend.

Funny how I hear on this forum how the virus isn’t political yet you didn’t miss your opportunity to get in your political dig at the end of your Gettysburg address rant.

Where is all the judgement you had towards Trump several months ago for Biden? Is he not allowing thousands possibly millions to pour into our country unchecked/unvaccinated?
Where’s all the hate for Biden that many here had and WERE outspoken about Trumps alleged short comings in handling covid? After all Satan could govern the country better than Trump. Trump dismissed covid as nothing, thousands were dying on his watch. He wasn’t concerned, he could have done more.....blah blah blah. Yet the silence is deafening when it comes to Joey the Dunces handling of the pandemic. Talk about stupid.

[gregj410]

Looks like you kids aren’t going to be as protected as you initially thought

[chuck]

"Breakthough" infections can occur when an immunized person is/was partially immunocompromised, aka their immune system is weakened and they did not get the full effect of the vaccine. This is not an issue with the vaccine per se. The "data" on the spreading of the virus by vaccinated people is mostly based on statistics, not clinical data. Even the limited clinical data has not been broken down as to to why there was a breakthrough other than the delta variant was involved.

If you want to minimize your chances or getting really sick then get the vaccine. If you really really want to minimize getting sick get the vaccine and then wear a mask, social distance, avoid crowded places (especially indoors), and wash your hands. Every time corona virus mutates it is getting worse as far as humans are concerned. It's not going to go away.

If these choices are too much of a burden for you than make sure your affairs and probably your families affairs are in order for when it actually catches up with you. There is nothing amusing about this.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

If you want to minimize your chances or getting really sick then get the vaccine. If you really really want to minimize getting sick get the vaccine and then wear a mask, social distance, avoid crowded places (especially indoors), and wash your hands. Every time corona virus mutates it is getting worse as far as humans are concerned. It's not going to go away.

If these choices are too much of a burden for you than make sure your affairs and probably your families affairs are in order for when it actually catches up with you. There is nothing amusing about this.

Sums it all up pretty well.

[chuck]

Update on breakthrough for delta variant. Clinical sampling reported in the last 24 hours gives a picture of how serious the delta variant is at spreading. Nasal swabs show the viral loading is 1000 times that of the original alpha variant. A vaccinated person with a breakthrough of the alpha variant could not produce enough virus to effectively shed the disease. Delta can, and in spades. A vaccinated person with an asymptomatic infection can still protect others from infection by wearing a mask.

[rogruth]

Update on breakthrough for delta variant. Clinical sampling reported in the last 24 hours gives a picture of how serious the delta variant is at spreading. Nasal swabs show the viral loading is 1000 times that of the original alpha variant. A vaccinated person with a breakthrough of the alpha variant could not produce enough virus to effectively shed the disease. Delta can, and in spades. A vaccinated person with an asymptomatic infection can still protect others from infection by wearing a mask.

But do they know they are a problem?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Update on breakthrough for delta variant. Clinical sampling reported in the last 24 hours gives a picture of how serious the delta variant is at spreading. Nasal swabs show the viral loading is 1000 times that of the original alpha variant. A vaccinated person with a breakthrough of the alpha variant could not produce enough virus to effectively shed the disease. Delta can, and in spades. A vaccinated person with an asymptomatic infection can still protect others from infection by wearing a mask.

But do they know they are a problem?

When in doubt, it's mask wearing time. I'm betting that mask wearing will be coming back in force very soon.

[rogruth]

Update on breakthrough for delta variant. Clinical sampling reported in the last 24 hours gives a picture of how serious the delta variant is at spreading. Nasal swabs show the viral loading is 1000 times that of the original alpha variant. A vaccinated person with a breakthrough of the alpha variant could not produce enough virus to effectively shed the disease. Delta can, and in spades. A vaccinated person with an asymptomatic infection can still protect others from infection by wearing a mask.

But do they know they are a problem?

When in doubt, it's mask wearing time. I'm betting that mask wearing will be coming back in force very soon.

Already hit Savannah.
I have always had a mask at the ready when I am out/away from home.