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[Neil]

"Donald Trump had endorsed Romney during the 2012 U.S. presidential election; at the time, Romney praised Trump's business savvy."

In 2012 I don't think the information about Trump's sexual assaults, his Foundation, his University and his conflicts of interest for public office were as well known, or known at all. It's 2020, remember?

Not to mention, abusing his position as President to get a foreign government to aid his re-election campaign, a small violation of Federal law . Most Republican senators understand that, but fear is a powerful stimulus to self-preservation.

[rogruth]

I'm about to come down with a foot-in-mouth problem.
So many of us seem to be all knowing about politics and government and maybe some of do know a lot.
But IMO most of us do not and believe what we want. You can't bother me with facts when I don't know
what the facts are. But a lot of posters on forums seem to know all that is needed.
I'll say again that I know very little about the above discussion but I do know that my grand-father who
has been dead since 1964 was right about how to end friendships is to talk about wives and politics.
I admit that i am afraid that this discussion today could tear MTJ apart, There are probably better
places for this than a model train forum.There are many posters here that I have never met, along
with a few I have, that I think of as friends. In the past there have been some small arguments that
have been rather bitter but except for one instance have been overcome. I am NOT in favor of closing
topics but I do hope that this will end amicably. I do not want my favorite forum to blow up. up and away.

[Neil]

Roger, appreciate and applaud your sentiments. None of this is personal. People have differing views on politics, sex and religion and it's best to leave these off a toy train forum .

[HONDO74]

"sexual assaults" "Rapist in Chief"

The only thing that I can relate to ( and I read all the biased liberal media ) was the story about Stormy Daniels having a one night stand with Trump and she said it was consensual. And yet that has never been proved.

Or the locker room boasting that he could grab any snatch he wanted except he never did do it.

If there were any actual rape or sexual assaults I can guarantee you that the liberal media would have this on 24/7 365 days a year.

In the #metoo area, if all women are to be believed then Bill Clinton would be in court along side Harvey Weinstein.

[HONDO74]

None of this is personal. People have differing views on politics, sex and religion

That's the way I see it. We have been having political discussions on this forum for a long time. And except for a few people that take the discussion way too personal, the rest of us handle it in a civil manner.

I like to see other peoples opinions on politics. And talk about them.

[Neil]

You must not be reading the NY Times. Here's one recent example. There are more.

E. Jean Carroll, Who Accused Trump of Rape, Seeks His DNA in Lawsuit
Ms. Carroll says that President Trump assaulted her in the 1990s, and that she has the dress she was wearing during the incident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/nyre ... p-dna.html

[HONDO74]

I'm about to come down with a foot-in-mouth problem.
So many of us seem to be all knowing about politics and government and maybe some of do know a lot.
But IMO most of us do not and believe what we want. You can't bother me with facts when I don't know
what the facts are. But a lot of posters on forums seem to know all that is needed.
I'll say again that I know very little about the above discussion but I do know that my grand-father who
has been dead since 1964 was right about how to end friendships is to talk about wives and politics.
I admit that i am afraid that this discussion today could tear MTJ apart, There are probably better
places for this than a model train forum.There are many posters here that I have never met, along
with a few I have, that I think of as friends. In the past there have been some small arguments that
have been rather bitter but except for one instance have been overcome. I am NOT in favor of closing
topics but I do hope that this will end amicably. I do not want my favorite forum to blow up. up and away.

Roger, back in the 80s Ronald Reagan and Tip O'neill were know to have some arguments on the floor of congress. It was also noted that members would see them walking side by side to the bar to have a drink. It can be done if people have a proper attitude about it.

A very good friend/neighbor of mine ( now deceased ) we would have some great arguments over politics and when we were done we would say lets go make a pot of coffee and work on something else. He said this to me one day. You are the only conservative friend that i have that I can argue with and you are still my friend

[robert.]

When its over . Will the American people know why biden was working in the Ukraine? If it was true he made $50,000 usd or more a month?. Laws should be changed to stop this kind of thing

[rogruth]

Neil and Hondo,
You have said what I have seen in the past and my main point is that I hope it goes that way again.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

When its over . Will the American people know why biden was working in the Ukraine? If it was true he made $50,000 usd or more a month?. Laws should be changed to stop this kind of thing

Why he was there is on file with the Gov't as he had to file that information - it's actually public, technically. So you want to make it against the law to make money through capitalism?

But put that into some perspective - someone made over 1/2 a billion on their Tesla stock in under a week.

[HONDO74]

You must not be reading the NY Times. Here's one recent example. There are more.

E. Jean Carroll, Who Accused Trump of Rape, Seeks His DNA in Lawsuit
Ms. Carroll says that President Trump assaulted her in the 1990s, and that she has the dress she was wearing during the incident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/nyre ... p-dna.html

Never saw it before Neil. But now that I have I am doing a little more fact finding. Interesting.

She is a writer and has a book coming out Titled What Do We Need Men For.

Carroll has also alleged that, in the mid-1990s, media executive Les Moonves sexually assaulted her in an elevator after she had interviewed Moonves for a story. Moonves has denied the allegation

Trump denied having ever met Carroll or knowing of her. However, in the New York magazine article, Carroll provided a photograph which showed her meeting Trump in 1987 along with her then-husband and Trump's then-wife Ivana

On June 21, 2019, eleven days before the announced publishing of her new book What Do We Need Men For?: A Modest Proposal,[25] Carroll wrote in New York magazine that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996 in a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York City

So she has accused 2 wealthy men of rape back in the mid 90s

[Neil]

Not all charges of sexual assault are true. But many are. Where there is this much smoke, it's likely there is some fire. The same could be said of the accusations about Harvey Weinstein. Some are no doubt false or exaggerated, but it seems likely to me that many are a true bill. But due process is important, and all are innocent until proven guilty or not liable until proven (51%) liable. To my knowledge, no toy train moguls have been accused .

"Moonves has denied the allegation"

She is not the only one to have accused him of misconduct. Once again, innocent until proven guilty, but lots of smoke here, and it is not exactly unknown for men in positions of power to abuse that power in this way. So I don't think her accusing two guys of similar affronts, both of whom are subjects of many complaints, in any way discredits her claim at this point. What if Trump's DNA is on her dress? Would that convince you?

[rex desilets]

So, Neil, can we put you down for a substantial contribution to the Trump re-election campaign?

[E7]

What if Trump's DNA is on her dress? Would that convince you?

The precedent for that is established and it would be acquittal.

[Neil]

"So, Neil, can we put you down for a substantial contribution to the Trump re-election campaign?"

Yes, I have some Russian-English dictionaries that Don Jr. might find useful .